PreachTony
And yet, I think your interpretation does not agree with scripture. You say I'm setting conditional bounds on the scripture, but your side does as well.
No. Once again you fail to answer the bell on this statement you posted. You have failed to demonstrate that "Cals do the same thing".
You claim over and over....."My interpretation "does not agree with scripture and yet after 3 posts you have no begun to attempt to show how you think this is so.
You say that I cannot twist scripture, but that's exactly what your side does.
stop accusing until you can show it scripturally.Go ahead if you think you can.
Can the free gift be rejected?
This passage does not get into any such foolish speculation.
You did not even mention what the gift was at first.
here again is the passage...it does not say a word about;
accepting
rejecting
conditions
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned,
so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation,
but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more
they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
vs 16...the free gift is unto justification
vs17...they which receive/grace and gift....it is a done deal ...vs the free gift came unto JUSTIFICATION......AGAIN A DONE DEAL
Some on your side would say "no," citing Irresistible Grace.
this passage is not describing any of this! you are introducing a red herring to avoid what the passage actually says.....stay in the passage...it is not discussing irresistable grace.
My side, not believing in Irresistible Grace,
Again...this is not part of the discussion in romans 5. That your side denies that truth is worthy of discussion but it is not found in this passage.
believes God's free gift can be rejected.
and yet...you cannot show any scripture that says this at all.The gift is always spoken of in reference to those who have been given the gift.
ironically....you have identified with 4 pts of Arminianism, holding onto the eternal security as the one pt...saying therefore you are not Arminian???
yet your expressed view that men can accept the gift they have been given??? then reject it would not even be consistent with that teaching.:thumbsup:
I see too many places in scripture that warn us against rejecting God.
romans 5 is not discussing any warning passage so this avoids the text at hand.
If it was impossible to reject God, then why warn us against rejecting Him?
Men are born rejecting God.....that is not in view in rom5
If man has no option or ability to accept Him, then why bring about such wrath and vengeance on man who was acting in the only manner he could?
men are responsible that's why.
Do you get wrathful with a cat for meowing, when that's the only thing that cat can do?
yes..I hate pets
Recognizing the futility of a discussion/debate between us means I should scrap my point of view? Wow...
You should scrap your point of view because it is unscriptural. The fact that you cannot work through romans 5 shows the view will not hold up.:thumbsup: