Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

[Wesley Briggman]

Concerning abortion, it appears everyone on this site is pro-life.

My question: who is responsible for the welfare of the child?

If the mother (incubator? Having a child does not qualify a woman as a mother) came to you saying: "If you do not commit to providing for this child as if it were your own, I will abort it." What would you say? If you agree, would you make a second commitment and so on ad infinitum? If not, would you ask your neighbor to step in to help meet the need?

Of course, we all have financial/practical limits and probably would not consider making such a commitment.

If the pro-life advocates convince the incubator not to abort, what provisions do they make for the welfare of the child? Do they provide contact information for the local welfare office and leave it at that?

I feel no responsibility for feeding, clothing and housing someone else's unwanted child.

I never expected someone else to provide for my offspring!

 

[canadyjd]

Concerning abortion, it appears everyone on this site is pro-life.

My question: who is responsible for the welfare of the child?

If the mother (incubator? Having a child does not qualify a woman as a mother) came to you saying: "If you do not commit to providing for this child as if it were your own, I will abort it." What would you say? If you agree, would you make a second commitment and so on ad infinitum? If not, would you ask your neighbor to step in to help meet the need?

Of course, we all have financial/practical limits and probably would not consider making such a commitment.

If the pro-life advocates convince the incubator not to abort, what provisions do they make for the welfare of the child? Do they provide contact information for the local welfare office and leave it at that?

I feel no responsibility for feeding, clothing and housing someone else's unwanted child.

I never expected someone else to provide for my offspring!

There are many pro-life organizations that provide services to mothers/fathers. We support a local organization called Options for Women/help for families.

So yes, many Christians put “their money where their mouth is”.

peace to you

 

[Reformed1689]

I feel no responsibility for feeding, clothing and housing someone else's unwanted child.

I never expected someone else to provide for my offspring!

I think the biblical principals are clear that we are to care for such as these...

 

[Nonsequitur010]

Concerning abortion, it appears everyone on this site is pro-life.

My question: who is responsible for the welfare of the child?

If the mother (incubator? Having a child does not qualify a woman as a mother) came to you saying: "If you do not commit to providing for this child as if it were your own, I will abort it." What would you say? If you agree, would you make a second commitment and so on ad infinitum? If not, would you ask your neighbor to step in to help meet the need?

Of course, we all have financial/practical limits and probably would not consider making such a commitment.

If the pro-life advocates convince the incubator not to abort, what provisions do they make for the welfare of the child? Do they provide contact information for the local welfare office and leave it at that?

I feel no responsibility for feeding, clothing and housing someone else's unwanted child.

I never expected someone else to provide for my offspring!

 

[Nonsequitur010]

Who is responsible for the welfare of the child? ...Really?.....The answer is and will always be the parents.......we can not stop abortion......it will be done regardless of the "law".....the problem nowadays is they expect others to pay for it.....Millennium Girl..."It's OK...I'll just have an abortion, tax money will pay for it.........Gays?....It's OK....the tax payers are gonna pay for this HIV PANDEMIC from the late 70's-early 80's....In other words, other people will pay for my sins...and if you don't...you're a racist, sexist, xenophophobe, misogynist.....

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[Wesley Briggman]

I think the biblical principals are clear that we are to care for such as these...

Provide scripture to support the clear biblical principals as you understand them.

Nowhere do I read that God makes any commitment to provide for Satan's children. Satan has convinced people of good-will of that lie.

[Mat 10:14 KJV] 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

[Mat 7:6 KJV] 6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

2Cr 6:14 KJV - Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

2Cr 6:15 KJV - And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

2Cr 6:16 KJV - And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2Cr 6:17 KJV - Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

 

[Reynolds]

Concerning abortion, it appears everyone on this site is pro-life.

My question: who is responsible for the welfare of the child?

If the mother (incubator? Having a child does not qualify a woman as a mother) came to you saying: "If you do not commit to providing for this child as if it were your own, I will abort it." What would you say? If you agree, would you make a second commitment and so on ad infinitum? If not, would you ask your neighbor to step in to help meet the need?

Of course, we all have financial/practical limits and probably would not consider making such a commitment.

If the pro-life advocates convince the incubator not to abort, what provisions do they make for the welfare of the child? Do they provide contact information for the local welfare office and leave it at that?

I feel no responsibility for feeding, clothing and housing someone else's unwanted child.

I never expected someone else to provide for my offspring!

That would be the job of the church. As a member, I have a part but not sole responsibility. The Church does not do a whole lot today.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

That would be the job of the church. As a member, I have a part but not sole responsibility. The Church does not do a whole lot today.

"If you do not commit to providing for this child as if it were your own, I will abort it."

What would you do, send her to the benevolent committee thereby getting you off the hook?

Simple question deserves simple answer.

 

[Reynolds]

"If you do not commit to providing for this child as if it were your own, I will abort it."

What would you do, send her to the benevolent committee thereby getting you off the hook?

Simple question deserves simple answer.

Yep. I can't personally rear every child on the planet.

 

[Reformed1689]

Provide scripture to support the clear biblical principals as you understand them.

Nowhere do I read that God makes any commitment to provide for Satan's children. Satan has convinced people of good-will of that lie.

[Mat 10:14 KJV] 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

[Mat 7:6 KJV] 6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

2Cr 6:14 KJV - Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

2Cr 6:15 KJV - And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

2Cr 6:16 KJV - And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2Cr 6:17 KJV - Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Children of Satan?

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Children of Satan?

Yep!

[Jhn 8:44 KJV] 44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

[1Jo 3:10 KJV] 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 

[Reformed1689]

Yep!

[Jhn 8:44 KJV] 44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

[1Jo 3:10 KJV] 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Yeah those verses have no correlation to children born out of wedlock....

 

[SGO]

Did you ever consider yourself a child of the devil or were you born a Christian?
Actually you brought up a good point about their after birth welfare but that is another issue, isn't it?
How about all those that get saved by a personal evangelist but get no help after being born again?
That isn't your job either.
I don't do it so I'm nothing special, don't get me wrong.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Yeah those verses have no correlation to children born out of wedlock....

Rabbit trail!

Your position makes no sense to me. If you wish to elaborate, I'd appreciate it.

The verses I posted make no distinction concerning whether or not the mother is married. They do clearly make the point that the maturing process, without God's spiritual intervention, results in the individual remaining separated from God by sin and is therefore a spiritual child of Satan.

I will go the original question posed:
"If you do not commit to providing for this child as if it were your own, I will abort it." What would you say?

 

[Reformed1689]

Your position makes no sense to me. If you wish to elaborate, I'd appreciate it. Or, in reflection, reconsider it altogether.

What if you had been born out of wedlock?

I spoke to a guy the other day who told me he doesn't go to church because he "is not allowed to..." When I asked him why he wasn't allowed, he said a pastor told him that his parents weren't married when they had him and so because he was a "bastard child" he was not allowed in church.

That sounds a lot like what you are saying and it is a DESPICABLE and SINFUL position.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

What if you had been born out of wedlock?

I spoke to a guy the other day who told me he doesn't go to church because he "is not allowed to..." When I asked him why he wasn't allowed, he said a pastor told him that his parents weren't married when they had him and so because he was a "bastard child" he was not allowed in church.

That sounds a lot like what you are saying and it is a DESPICABLE and SINFUL position.

More rabbit trails. I am surprised and disappointed by your response. Please provide scripture to support your charges against me. Can you quote back to me what I have said that is DESPICABLE and SINFUL?

Scripture teaches that if God does not chasten an individual, that individual is a bastard, regardless of the marital status of the mother.

[Heb 12:7-9 KJV] 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father
chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Once again:
"If you do not commit to providing for this child as if it were your own, I will abort it." What would you say?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

All this brings to mind why GEN Booth founded the Salvation Army.

 

[canadyjd]

"If you do not commit to providing for this child as if it were your own, I will abort it."
....Simple question deserves simple answer.

Do you know of anyone that has actually used those words? It seems very unlikely.

There are many adoption agencies that specialize in finding families to adopt these children.

peace to you

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Do you know of anyone that has actually used those words? It seems very unlikely.

There are many adoption agencies that specialize in finding families to adopt these children.

peace to you

No, it is a hypothetical question. I was/am curious to learn how much of a commitment pro-lifers are willing to make to the raising of a child that was not aborted because of their stance against abortion. It takes no commitment if I dissuade a girl from aborting her baby and send her to an agency to see to the welfare of the baby.

Is that the family structure that the Bible describes for a young woman? I think not.

[Tit 2:1-5 KJV] 1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: 2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. 3 The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

 

[Reformed1689]

More rabbit trails. I am surprised and disappointed by your response. Please provide scripture to support your charges against me. Can you quote back to me what I have said that is DESPICABLE and SINFUL?

Scripture teaches that if God does not chasten an individual, that individual is a bastard, regardless of the marital status of the mother.

[Heb 12:7-9 KJV] 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father
chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Once again:
"If you do not commit to providing for this child as if it were your own, I will abort it." What would you say?

You are avoiding the issue.