Arminian vs. Calvinist handling of scripture

I ask whoever feels led to respond to this post please PM your response and verses - and Ill take them into consideration -


I wish to respond to this one personally as God has told me He has a word concerning this - and I would like a chance to seek it.

SO please no response I will try and respond within a week or less - depending on how well I seek the face of the Lord

 

In addition to your point npetreley,

The verse in Joshua is not spoken to the world. It is spoken to the people of Israel. You may know them as "God's Chosen People". The audience of a verse is very important when trying to understand it's meaning. It is similar to a verse that is often misused in Revelation 3. "Behold I stand at the door and knock..." you know the rest. Since the 1940's or abouts evangelist have been throwing that around as a call to salvation. This text was written to the church. This dramatically changes the meaning of the text. The church was having church without its bridegroom. In Joshua, the people of Israel, who are already God's chosen people are told to choose whom they will serve. It is like me standing before my church and saying to a group of believers, "Choose today who you are going to serve, God or yourself." It would dramatically change the meaning of the text.

 

Sularis... Well excuse me!... I didn't see the brother post as he was waiting for someone who had a personal revelation from the Lord to answer him?... What is going to make your answer any better than the one I might give?... Then again I agree your response was uncalled for and if you want to solve this question PM with other brethren go for it. The rest of us will direct our answers to the post at hand and the forum in question. Some brethren have a lot of gall... Are you one of them?... You want to make this your personal sounding board I would check with the webmaster first he runs the board... And I am the co-moderator of this forum... Then there is Pastor Larry who is the other moderator... I wonder what he will say? ... Brother Glen

 

Ouch! Sounds like someone's in the corner...

 

Solaris, you're scaring me! You're not mormon are you?
Gina

 

The only word that God has told on this is the one found in the Bible. If you are praying for something else, your prayers will be in vain. Such pursuit of unbiblical direction has no place in this forum. God has revealed himself to us in his word and that word is not of any private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20). God is not speaking "words of the Lord" in this age. In his word are "all things necessary for life and godliness" (2 Peter 1:3) and what is necessary to be "equipped for every good work" (2 Tim 3:17). There is no need to seek anything else. What you need to do is bring your thinking into conformity with what God has already said, rather than seeking to change it.

If you are seeking a "word from the Lord," why are you asking people to PM you and saying that you will take them into consideration?? That shows how your "word from the Lord" is not really a word from the Lord. It will be the product of your imagination.

There will be, as always, responses encouraged. Your post and request will be disregarded.

 

So do you deny the direction of the Holy Spirit? Do you deny that the Holy Spirit can direct a man?

How can you apply II Peter 1 specifically here? The verse is talking about the fulfillment of the prophesy of the prophets, in specific, how Christ fulfilled the prophecies. Peter is talking about how God revealed himself to the prophets.

So when he said that "prophecy" was a spiritual gift, somehow that was confined to the present and not applicable today?

That's not what Peter says - He states that "3His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness." he doesn't mention the Bible at all here, so I'm not sure how you can say unequivicably that "Divine power" = "Holy Bible."

Paul is speaking specifically of the OT, which can be found by simply looking at the 51 occurances of the word "graphe."

And perhaps you may want to understand how your thinking is conforming what you are reading...

 

Ive only sent a single prayer heavenwards - since prayer is not my gift - but Im praying as I write this

I fully intend(ed) to respond publicly and then open it up - I feel that God is holding something for me to take - and that He wants me to share it as soon I taste and see that the word of the Lord is good

I apologize that this isnt going to be quite the answer from God I was hoping, but I ask that He will control my fingers, my thoughts, my heart as I write this.

God uses other people to speak - the slave girl saved Namaan by just mentioning a prophet existed.
Perhaps one of those PM's might have had the word I was looking for. As an example Sola Scriptura believes in faith by works, and I do not, but as he presented his case, I realized that there were things man had to do in order to be saved - things demons could not do for even demons believe and they tremble - but that that work must not be a work of which man could boast.

The Word I seek is not new scripture or new revelation but it is rather if I am an adequate vessel, but clarification of existing Scripture - for no new Scripture shall be written - not one jot nor tittle - for it is finished - God has done everything necessary unto salvation!

I havent even dealt with your points npetreley and Im sorry - I just need to stop here and cry - because I read this board - and i see dryness, dustiness - Im uncomfortable around charismatics but they drink the water of the Spirit - while we eat the meat of gospel truth - here is where I dont know what to type I want to type that I dont expect healings, and miracles, and mass conversions to burst forth - but then I think why am I typing that - is not God the same, can He not accomplish what He desires for His greater glory.

My words are not better then any others - unless they echo and repeat the perfect Words of God - so thus my response is no better then anyone else's unless my response is of God - again I asked for time for that reason - not to offend - nor to turn it into a private thread; but because as I read the threads in this forum I felt God was telling me He had something to say - and that I felt in order to better let the voice of God be heard to not clutter up the thread until posted. Again I felt that - it wasnt a command of God not to post

I ask why - all too often - I am not perfect

However I still hope to seek the Words of the Lord

I hope to answer your question npetreley - but with the Words that God would have me speak - so if you are willing to wait - I wish to seek them
In the Bible - in prayer - in fellowship

 

Hi Npetreley;
A quote from you;
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I thought it might be useful to examine a bit how scripture is used, what it says on its own, and what must be added to reach a conclusion.
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my question;
Why do you feel it nessessary to add to scripture to reach a conclusion?
Are you aware of the warnings in the Bible of adding to scripture?
Romanbear

 

Sularis... Why didn't you say this in the first place... I'm sure all brethren understand how you feel and have been there themself... I know I have when I wait for light upon a certain passage of scripture I don't understand... I pray and study and implore God to add to the understanding with greater understanding and knowledge so I can know him and his son Jesus Christ better. I'm sure every brother and sister is looking for a clearer picture of Christ and the beauties of his wonderous works in all of our lives. We can only get that through much searching and digging to bring to the surface those gospel treasures for all to see and examine... Though we may at times disagree with each other we are all here to help!... Thy word is a light unto my path!... Brother Glen

 

No.

He is talking about his own writing, why it is important for him to write his own words to remind his readers of his teaching (vv. 12-15). He also applies it to the words of Paul (3:15). In addition, the first century church regarded the whole OT as prophecy, not just the predictive portions. This should be understood to argue for the whole of Scripture.

Yes, as Scripture teaches about the use of prophetic gifts, the nature of prophecy, and the sufficiency of the closed canon.

[/qb]He says "through the knowledge of him who has called us ..." ... That knowledge comes only through the word. There is no knowledge of his calling apart from his word.

Paul's writings are included in Scripture (2 Peter 3:15) as are Peter's (2 Peter 1), as are the apostles (john 17, 14, etc.).

I have many times. I have taken the word of God and shown how it fits together. That is what must be done and that is where you position you falls short. You must redefined some passages and leave some out to get ot your conclusion. I reject that treatment of Scripture.

 

npetreley,

Regarding Joshua 24:15
Joshua 24:15 says nothing of the mechanics of choice. As sturgman stated, the context is to Israel, the covenant people of God. Their choice here does not regard regeneration.

Regarding Romans 10:17
The proposition, “we need to figure out where belief comes from”, is biased. There is an inclination in it that assumes personal faith is a product of something. This in itself may be disputable.

The quoted version of Romans 10:17 uses similar terminology and so leads to the conclusion that the proposition had this verse in mind. In short, the proposer is speaking from a predetermined view.

The context of Romans 10:17 is explained as regarding “personal faith”. Yet the word translated “hearing” in 10:17 is the same word translated “report” in the previous verse. The word “faith” in 10:17 also has the definite article before it, thus “the faith”. So it may be arguable that this is not speaking of personal faith at all but rather “the revelation of God”.

So the statements in 1-3 come from personal theology concerning the subject and do not support or disprove the proposition.

Regarding John 8:47
The presumption of this interpretation is that the phrase “of God” or “not of God” regards an “all or nothing” relationship. In other words, to be “of God” is being a “born again child of God” and to be “not of God” is to be “lost and without any relationship whatsoever”. This implies there is no other kind of relationship other than filial. This is also disputable (i.e. covenant relationship).

 

The whole of the OT, perhaps.

Yes, as Scripture teaches about the use of prophetic gifts, the nature of prophecy, and the sufficiency of the closed canon.</font>[/QUOTE]The burden of proof is on you to show that this is so.

And this comes from where?

I've addressed the first two. Where specifically do you see the apostles?

I don't leave any part of the Scripture out of my understanding of God. I understand things differently than you. My position only falls short when examined by your personal understanding of hermeneutics, just as your position falls when examined by mine. I would like to understand more clearly how you maintain that Matthew knew that he was writing something that he would consider Scripture, as well as the rest of the writers of the NT - for the purposes of examining how we can be sure that the Spirit will not lead us outside what is written.

 

npetreley,

I thought your proposition was well stated which is why I found it easy to add comments. No offense was intended.

My scriptural support of my understanding of “choice” comes from Genesis 1 – 3. It regards my belief of Adam’s nature, the purpose of Adam in the Garden of Eden, and the results of the Fall.