Hi Npetreley;
Since my smiley face offends you, I won't use anything for you to determine my mood and to what intent I'm asking any questions.I'm not being deceiving as, maybe you suggest.
All Arminians believe in election just not unconditional election.For instance when I tell my brother about the Love of Christ and he visibility shows that he is drawn, but because of pride resist You say he isn't drawn because he isn't chosen, but nowhere does the Bible say we cannot resist.This is total conjecture on the Calvinist end
In your statement about Joshua 24:15 It may not say we have free will there but when we hear the Gospel we have to listen. God draws us then we have the opportunity to accept or deny the Calling of the Holy Spirit.
You want to claim that we have no choice then show where it says we have no Choice you haven't done that yet.
A quote from you;
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These "missing points" would not be as big a problem for free-will advocates if they would simply provide other scriptures to address them. But they do not. There are no scriptures that say that the mechanism by which we choose to serve the LORD is free will. So when pressed on this, they add these conclusions from logic, inference, or just-so stories about how we were created and what that means.
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Now look who's offering logic about Joshua 24:15 You say this verse doesn't say we have free will but then you accuse Arminians that they use logic. What are you doing? You haven't proven that your theory is truth, you are only assuming it has because as you say free will is not in this verse.This verse implies choice.You just can't see it because of your own logic...
Jn.5:21Actually it says that both offices of the God head quickenth who they will... They quickenth those who believe first.
Jn.3:14-15 actually says whosoever which defined by Strong's dictionary defines as anyone
G3956
πᾶς
pas
pas
Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole: - all (manner of, means) alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X throughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.
Even though you refuse to see truth. I still try to get you to see that you are the one who is interpreting scripture. Not scripture interpreting scripture. you see it as you want and as Augustine wanted you to.Not as God intended and perhaps Arminians see this in Calvinist and choose to leave you to your own interpretations.All anyone can do is plant the seed if it doesn't grow it's not there fault.Maybe the next Christian will convince you.Point for point the Calvinist loose because you will never know that you can love as a choice of your own.If we have no choice then why are we given the choice.If we cannot believe on our own where is your proof, you have none.You are just assuming in your logic.
Romanbear
Since my smiley face offends you, I won't use anything for you to determine my mood and to what intent I'm asking any questions.I'm not being deceiving as, maybe you suggest.
All Arminians believe in election just not unconditional election.For instance when I tell my brother about the Love of Christ and he visibility shows that he is drawn, but because of pride resist You say he isn't drawn because he isn't chosen, but nowhere does the Bible say we cannot resist.This is total conjecture on the Calvinist end
In your statement about Joshua 24:15 It may not say we have free will there but when we hear the Gospel we have to listen. God draws us then we have the opportunity to accept or deny the Calling of the Holy Spirit.
You want to claim that we have no choice then show where it says we have no Choice you haven't done that yet.
A quote from you;
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These "missing points" would not be as big a problem for free-will advocates if they would simply provide other scriptures to address them. But they do not. There are no scriptures that say that the mechanism by which we choose to serve the LORD is free will. So when pressed on this, they add these conclusions from logic, inference, or just-so stories about how we were created and what that means.
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Now look who's offering logic about Joshua 24:15 You say this verse doesn't say we have free will but then you accuse Arminians that they use logic. What are you doing? You haven't proven that your theory is truth, you are only assuming it has because as you say free will is not in this verse.This verse implies choice.You just can't see it because of your own logic...
Jn.5:21Actually it says that both offices of the God head quickenth who they will... They quickenth those who believe first.
Jn.3:14-15 actually says whosoever which defined by Strong's dictionary defines as anyone
G3956
πᾶς
pas
pas
Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole: - all (manner of, means) alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X throughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.
Even though you refuse to see truth. I still try to get you to see that you are the one who is interpreting scripture. Not scripture interpreting scripture. you see it as you want and as Augustine wanted you to.Not as God intended and perhaps Arminians see this in Calvinist and choose to leave you to your own interpretations.All anyone can do is plant the seed if it doesn't grow it's not there fault.Maybe the next Christian will convince you.Point for point the Calvinist loose because you will never know that you can love as a choice of your own.If we have no choice then why are we given the choice.If we cannot believe on our own where is your proof, you have none.You are just assuming in your logic.
Romanbear