1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Arminianism and Calvinism

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by SheepWhisperer, Jul 25, 2017.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Top Posters
Page 9 of 9
  1. MennoSota

    MennoSota Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2017
    Messages:
    2,727
    Likes Received:
    443
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Your only choice was hell. You are indeed held responsible for that choice.
    God never knew them because God had not written their names in the Lambs book of life.
    Someone can claim to be a Christian all they want, but if God has not written their name down then God never knew them as His child.
    Do you understand what I have just explained?
     
    #161 MennoSota, Aug 3, 2017
    • Like Like x 1
  2. SovereignGrace

    SovereignGrace Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 31, 2015
    Messages:
    5,536
    Likes Received:
    1,026
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Ppl no more choose to have faith than they can choose to make their heart beat.

    To compare faith in a chair with faith in God is utter foolishness.
     
    #162 SovereignGrace, Aug 3, 2017
  3. SovereignGrace

    SovereignGrace Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 31, 2015
    Messages:
    5,536
    Likes Received:
    1,026
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Someone's being taught by Leighton Flowers. This is what he continually says.

    He said he was saved because he humbled himself.
     
    #163 SovereignGrace, Aug 3, 2017
  4. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,030
    Likes Received:
    3,657
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No he doesn't that is your characterization of him. Further I would say you are being taught by John Calvin, who was taught by Augustine. However, I have news for ya, We all think this way because it is what scripture says.
     
    #164 Revmitchell, Aug 3, 2017
    • Funny Funny x 1
  5. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,030
    Likes Received:
    3,657
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Well that is your opinion I will stick with scripture.
     
    #165 Revmitchell, Aug 3, 2017
    • Funny Funny x 2
  6. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,030
    Likes Received:
    3,657
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I did not say you did.
     
    #166 Revmitchell, Aug 3, 2017
  7. JonC

    JonC Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    35,198
    Likes Received:
    3,791
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No, you never did specifically say that I believed regeneration must come before faith. But you did quote me and proceed to argue against regeneration coming before faith. (Post #158)

    I just wanted to be clear that I am not saying that men must be regenerated (here I mean "born again") in order to believe. All I am saying is that faith is not a matter of deciding between two options (it is not a choice in that way).
     
    #167 JonC, Aug 3, 2017
  8. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    20,080
    Likes Received:
    3,491
    Faith:
    Baptist
    John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name:
    13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
     
    #168 TCassidy, Aug 3, 2017
    • Like Like x 3
  9. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    21,242
    Likes Received:
    2,305
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Yes indeed....he is tuned into the podcast,lol look at this lasts months posts....you know where it came from:Cautious:oops::Cautious;);)
     
    #169 Iconoclast, Aug 3, 2017
    • Agree Agree x 1
  10. JonC

    JonC Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    35,198
    Likes Received:
    3,791
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Dr. Flowers has brought up topics that had relevance to the discussion (Cal/non-Cal discussions in general), but over the past couple of years his website has become an "anti" blog (standing against Calvinism rather than for Christ, even if under a different theological persuasion). I thought this very unfortunate (some of his comments seem to me as akin to the "campy" Calvinists we have had here in the past). There are decent conversations and views out there, though. (for example, on the Society of Evangelical Arminians' website Robert Picirilli has an interesting article "Towards a Non-deterministic Theology of Divine Providence" ....and no, if you are wondering, I don't agree with his conclusions :)). But it is more much more honest than those blogs.
     
    #170 JonC, Aug 3, 2017
    • Agree Agree x 1
  11. MennoSota

    MennoSota Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2017
    Messages:
    2,727
    Likes Received:
    443
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    If you stick with scripture you will change your opinion...
     
    #171 MennoSota, Aug 3, 2017
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  12. SovereignGrace

    SovereignGrace Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 31, 2015
    Messages:
    5,536
    Likes Received:
    1,026
    Faith:
    Baptist
    He told Dr. White that very thing in their Romans 9 'debate'. Dr. White debated Romans 9, Flowers went everhwhere but that chapter.

    Look it up...he said he humbled himself.
     
    #172 SovereignGrace, Aug 3, 2017
    • Like Like x 1
  13. SovereignGrace

    SovereignGrace Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 31, 2015
    Messages:
    5,536
    Likes Received:
    1,026
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Since when do you stick with scripture? You continually rewrite the narrative to fit your ideology.

    Your John 6 thread shows it. The gross misapplication of John 1:12,13. Then the foolishness of comparing faith in a chair with faith in God further proves you perpetually rewrite the narrative.
     
    #173 SovereignGrace, Aug 3, 2017
    • Agree Agree x 1
  14. Reynolds

    Reynolds Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2014
    Messages:
    13,894
    Likes Received:
    2,498
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I don't mean this in any way hurtful. It is an issue that confuses me, but I do not know how to word it correctly. The lung cancer was a somewhat easy answer to understand. Situations such as yours are much more complicated. They confuse me. Is you being sick Gods perfect will or is it His permissive will? Does He want you in the condition you are in, or does He simply permit it due to the fallen world and the curse? If He wants people to be sick, why do people use medicine to attempt to rebel against His wishes? It honestly confuses me. If people truly believe sickness is Gods perfect will, why try to battle the sickness?
     
    #174 Reynolds, Aug 3, 2017
  15. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    20,080
    Likes Received:
    3,491
    Faith:
    Baptist
    There are two types of God's will. Decretal and Permissive. All of God's will is Perfect because He can be no less. But I believe my MS is part of His permissive will. See below for why I believe that.

    My MS is genetic. Our genome is damaged by the fall. God permitted the fall and the damage to the genome which resulted from the fall. He permitted the sin which caused the fall, so the results are part of His permissive will.

    As a testimony of his mercy? After all, the medicine I take is found in nature, and He is the creator of nature, so, to deny the power of medicine is to deny the power of God in nature. Remember, Jesus healed the sick. Therefore being healed is not a sin.

    You would have to ask someone who believes that. :)
     
    #175 TCassidy, Aug 3, 2017
    • Like Like x 1
  16. MennoSota

    MennoSota Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2017
    Messages:
    2,727
    Likes Received:
    443
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Why not use medical treatments? Paul told Timothy to drink wine for his stomachs sake.
    Do any of us know God's ordained will before the fact? We use wisdom, reason and best practice to do the best we can. Ultimately, however, we trust that God will sovereignly decide what will happen.
    Read Job. Perhaps it will help alleviate your confusion.
     
    #176 MennoSota, Aug 3, 2017
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  17. utilyan

    utilyan Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2016
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    293
    We are always obligated to save when capable. When you don't that act is called EVIL.

    There is no obligation to act evil.
     
    #177 utilyan, Aug 3, 2017
  18. Squire Robertsson

    Squire Robertsson Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2000
    Messages:
    15,371
    Likes Received:
    2,405
    Faith:
    Baptist
    This thread is closed.
     
    #178 Squire Robertsson, Aug 3, 2017
Page 9 of 9
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...