what? choice of a sinner? instead of election?
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Arminianism & Calvinism issue to split over?
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Wow....again. This has nothing to do with original sin.
You can avoid it all you want. But if God has foreknowledge of everyone's choice. He knows who will deny Him. But He creates them anyway.....He is sending them to Hell.
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He was called for service , and made a choice not to go
it is not foreknowledge it is fore know,, The sinner makes the choice in free will.
But yet....he went anyway. Couldn't resist God, could he
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All those who die lost are the non-elect. Both sides agree the elect are the saved and the non-elect the lost. Each side disagrees with how they arrive at their conclusions.
already going to hell, we seek and receive a pardon to keep from going to hell. The Calvinist does't seek anything, It is thrust upon him
And God made him go.
Define your "foreknowledge" vs. "fore know". Does God know how everyone will decide?
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yes, agree in type of sinner but not how the escape.
Has anybody declared themselves to be non elect?
yes , Is anything to hard for God? God does not have to have foreknowledge through time. He created time and it is not a barrier, He knows us.
Mat 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
obviously God "knew" them but did not have a relationship "know" with them
could have not gone and been fish poop. He made a choice and repented in the belly.Wait....was God.....irresistible?
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You are still avoiding the logical conclusion of you theology. If God fore knows the choices will make.....and you have already stated that He knows if will choose Jesus as Lord and Savior....then He knows those who will not choose Him. Yet, God created them anyway and they will go to Hell. He could have avoided creating them. But yet created them knowing where they would go(per your acknowledgment).
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But he did go. Just as elect will choose. Gods grace is irresistible. Your illustration of Jonah has proved that. Jonah tried to resist, but God won....Jonah repented. Calvinist model demonstrated.
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Careful there.....or the golden chain(Rom 8:29) will get ya.
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choice was made in the belly of the whale
Jon 2:2
And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
God saved Him when He would not before this prayer.
Are you confusing conviction with election?
you missed the pointCareful there.....or the golden chain(Rom 8:29) will get ya.
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