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Ashli Babbitt killer comes forward.

Baptist Believer

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They presented zero footage showing Ashli Babbitt assaulting any LEO and 2 or 3 of them were within 6 feet of her prior to the killing.
She was shot for violently entering a secure area as part of a mob, after being warned not to do so by an officer pointing a firearm.

They didn't look scared at all and never had any contact with her. She just wasn't a physical threat to anybody, least of all the killer.
As part of a mob smashing through windows and doors, she was definitely a threat. Moreover, she was leading the way for others to penetrate that obstacle into the secured space where lawmakers were trying to move to a place of safety.

It's clear you approve of what she and the mob did.
 

Reynolds

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never mind that they were let in by capital police.
Yep. That is the part that bugs me as well.
She was breaking and entering with the intent to commit crimes. Besides that she was collaborating with traitors trying to at minimum disrupt the constitutional duty of the House to certify a free election.
Assuming all that trash is true, how does that legally justify the use of deadly force?
 

Baptist Believer

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If it was necessary to shoot Babbitt why was she the only one shot?
Because the rest of the rioters learned the lesson that they could not get past that officer without risking severe injury or death. If she had not be shot, you can be sure that the rest of them would have followed into that space.

fact is the dems more specifically Pelosi I was warned this could happen and she did nothing.
Pelosi was not responsible for Capitol security. In fact, lawmakers could not get much of the response from the rest of the government for hours because of the people that President Trump had placed in key positions.

the Leo’s that testified were hand picked by pelosi and company.
That does not invalidate their testimony, nor all of the evidence, video and otherwise.

nothing about Babbitt and the entire event ads up. Much like the election
It adds up just fine. The problem for you is that the reality of it does not match your delusions.
 

Revmitchell

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Yep. That is the part that bugs me as well.

Assuming all that trash is true, how does that legally justify the use of deadly force?

As someone who is trained in the use of deadly force I can say that had the capital police not intentionally let them in use of deadly force would have been justified in the capital building whether they were armed or not
 

Baptist Believer

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Yep. That is the part that bugs me as well.
Where is the evidence that it is true?

Assuming all that trash is true, how does that legally justify the use of deadly force?
Because the officers were protecting the lives of Congress and the Vice President. The mob was clearly hoping to catch and (at a minimum) abuse Polosi, Vice President Pence, and others.
 

Baptist Believer

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As someone who is trained in the use of deadly force...
Congratulations, I am also trained in the force continuum, the use of various weapons and techniques of deescalation, as well as methods of deadly force.

I can say that had the capital police not intentionally let them in use of deadly force would have been justified in the capital building whether they were armed or not
The claim that the Capitol Police "let them in" has not been backed up here, but even if they had, the Capitol Police were NOT "letting them in" to the area where Ashli Babbitt entered. They were smashing the doors and windows to try to enter that space.
 

Reynolds

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As someone who is trained in the use of deadly force I can say that had the capital police not intentionally let them in use of deadly force would have been justified in the capital building whether they were armed or not
I don't know about that. Armed has nothing to do with it. It can meet an element.
 

Reynolds

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Where is the evidence that it is true?


Because the officers were protecting the lives of Congress and the Vice President. The mob was clearly hoping to catch and (at a minimum) abuse Polosi, Vice President Pence, and others.
The video was out there.
The threshold for deadly force is to prevent death, great bodily harm, or a forcible felony .
Means, opportunity, and jeopardy all three must be present at time deadly force is used.
She had no means to harm congress. She did not yet have opportunity. She had yet to place anyone in jeopardy of losing their life.
 

carpro

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She was shot for violently entering a secure area as part of a mob, after being warned not to do so by an officer pointing a firearm.


As part of a mob smashing through windows and doors, she was definitely a threat. Moreover, she was leading the way for others to penetrate that obstacle into the secured space where lawmakers were trying to move to a place of safety.

It's clear you approve of what she and the mob did.

That you would condone murder tells me a lot about you.
 

canadyjd

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it was one window
Ok, one window

what evidence did they show
LEO testimony with video showing the assaults.


If it was necessary to shoot Babbitt why was she the only one shot?

fact is the dems more specifically Pelosi I was warned this could happen and she did nothing.

the Leo’s that testified were hand picked by pelosi and company.

nothing about Babbitt and the entire event ads up. Much like the election
The LEO shot once because he was trained to “stop the threat”. One shot was enough to stop the threat.

Like I said, lots more needs to be revealed about events leading up to and day of.

Until evidence is brought forward to the contrary, I’m giving the LEO the benefit of the doubt he believed lethal force was necessary at that moment.

peace to you
 

Revmitchell

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Ok, one window


LEO testimony with video showing the assaults.



The LEO shot once because he was trained to “stop the threat”. One shot was enough to stop the threat.

Like I said, lots more needs to be revealed about events leading up to and day of.

Until evidence is brought forward to the contrary, I’m giving the LEO the benefit of the doubt he believed lethal force was necessary at that moment.

peace to you

as former le I’m way too suspicious due to far too many inconsistencies. Having been involved in many high value security details as a Marine Military Police I can assure you the whole thing stinks.
 

Baptist Believer

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The video was out there.
The threshold for deadly force is to prevent death, great bodily harm, or a forcible felony .
"Great bodily harm" had already been inflicted upon Capitol Police officers, as well as stated (shouted) intent to harm lawmakers. Deadly force was easily justified.

Means, opportunity, and jeopardy all three must be present at time deadly force is used.
Means (a riotous mob armed with striking weapons), opportunity (the mob -- including Babbitt) were successfully breaking through the windows and doors (with Babbitt getting through), jeopardy (members of Congress and the Vice President were until immanent threat) were all present.

She had no means to harm congress.
As an individual, maybe and maybe not. She was ex-military AND was carrying a backpack with unknown contents. She would have not been the only one to go through that window if she had not been met with deadly force.

She did not yet have opportunity.
Only because she was shot.

She had yet to place anyone in jeopardy of losing their life.
All of the Capitol Police officers were in danger of losing their lives.
 

canadyjd

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as former le I’m way too suspicious due to far too many inconsistencies. Having been involved in many high value security details as a Marine Military Police I can assure you the whole thing stinks.
Can’t say I disagree with the smell of it all. Lots of unanswered questions. Lots of video not released. Clearly politicized to hurt Trump.

But, I side with LEO unless or until evidence shows otherwise.

peace to you
 
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