Assigning a view to Christ?

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No doubt.

The media makes hero's of lesser people then your testimony of your mother’s care.

Thank you.... she was an incredible woman. Did I mention that she lost my dad at 39 yo so rearing the family was entirely on her shoulders

 

[evenifigoalone]

Unless you are in a comma - you can do something - that crippled you mentioned - can call people
on the phone - even a word of encourgment. Many years ago - there was a book entitle (I think)
"The New Jews) was a story about sevral Jews who found Christ. One of them - had no legs -
he walked on artficial legs - yet he was able to exclaimed that he Loved Jesus - regardless of his
physical condition.

Everyone can do something - it may not be as much as the average person can do - but as long as
they are putting out 100% based on their capibilities.

I rather hope your argument takes into account that many disabled aren't able to make a living for themselves, even if they can work in some capacity.

My stepdad was paralyzed, bedridden and had multiple health complications, and was in and out of the hospital every few months. Few, if any, could hold a steady job in that condition.
He did lead a Bible study at our home, when he was well enough to. The entire church would come to our house and sit around his hospital bed while he had the Bible open on his lap.

 

[agedman]

From the OP:

Allowing for those three positions, what might the Scriptures teach concerning how the Lord Jesus Christ would have been labeled by folks in the U.S.? (Doesn't England have the labels reversed?)

To kind of kick start the thread, I offer two older articles. Both of these authors come from far different backgrounds, yet arrived at a similar conclusion.

A 2010 article by Michael Shermer: Was Jesus a Conservative or a Liberal? » Michael Shermer

Julie Meister wrote a personal journey: Why I Left the Right: How Studying Religion Made Me a Liberal

Ultimately, the question may be: Is it possible to present passages from the Scriptures in which a Conservative may take a passage very differently from the Liberal?
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What have you to offer?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I rather hope your argument takes into account that many disabled aren't able to make a living for themselves, even if they can work in some capacity.

My stepdad was paralyzed, bedridden and had multiple health complications, and was in and out of the hospital every few months. Few, if any, could hold a steady job in that condition.
He did lead a Bible study at our home, when he was well enough to. The entire church would come to our house and sit around his hospital bed while he had the Bible open on his lap.

Amen

 

[canadyjd]

OK.... opinions are like (choose your part of human anatomy that serves to exit what you eat). Everyone has one.

That is what my 1st boss explained to me when I expressed my opinion to him...not in those exact words however.

Oh, now I get it. You were being rude, crude and mean-spirited.

Peace to you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Oh, now I get it. You were being rude, crude and mean-spirited.

Peace to you

That’s called being blunt. Have you never been in the military? Have you never worked in the construction trades? Never played in team sports?

guess not

 

[canadyjd]

That’s called being blunt. Have you never been in the military? Have you never worked in the construction trades? Never played in team sports?

guess not

This is a debate forum. Every time you post you give your opinion.

Your post didn’t address what I said. It was rude, crude and mean-spirited.

It has been my observation, opinion, that those who support socialist/liberal policies become angry when you point out they are being generous with other people’s money.

They tend to quote scripture concerning generosity toward the poor but can’t find a passage that commands that you be generous with other people’s money.

This is being blunt. You cannot claim moral superiority when you are using other people’s money.

As far as your other questions....yes,yes,yes.

Peace to you

 

[agedman]

This is a debate forum. Every time you post you give your opinion.

Your post didn’t address what I said. It was rude, crude and mean-spirited.

It has been my observation, opinion, that those who support socialist/liberal policies become angry when you point out they are being generous with other people’s money.

They tend to quote scripture concerning generosity toward the poor but can’t find a passage that commands that you be generous with other people’s money.

This is being blunt. You cannot claim moral superiority when you are using other people’s money.

As far as your other questions....yes,yes,yes.

Peace to you

It is so easy to spend other folks money. Basically it is risk free.

 

[Van]

Jesus did not fit current political labels. If we look at the world and the impact of Christ's ministry, we see both good and bad. Christians need to be "conservative" and protect and defend what is good, but liberal and tear down what is bad.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It is so easy to spend other folks money. Basically it is risk free.

And who is doing that?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

This is a debate forum. Every time you post you give your opinion.

Your post didn’t address what I said. It was rude, crude and mean-spirited.

It has been my observation, opinion, that those who support socialist/liberal policies become angry when you point out they are being generous with other people’s money.

They tend to quote scripture concerning generosity toward the poor but can’t find a passage that commands that you be generous with other people’s money.

This is being blunt. You cannot claim moral superiority when you are using other people’s money.

As far as your other questions....yes,yes,yes.

Peace to you

Again, opinions & observations

 

[agedman]

And who is doing that?

You haven't?

Perhaps you haven't had the occasion but here are two examples:

Any one who has served in the assembly and must spend for music, building maintenance, landscaping, guest presentations, Christmas and Easter celebrations ... has spent other people's money that was given to spend.

An employee may spend other people's money for tools and supplies were spent.

I am not certain why you would ask the question.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You haven't?

Perhaps you haven't had the occasion but here are two examples:

Any one who has served in the assembly and must spend for music, building maintenance, landscaping, guest presentations, Christmas and Easter celebrations ... has spent other people's money that was given to spend.

An employee may spend other people's money for tools and supplies were spent.

I am not certain why you would ask the question.

Well I haven’t

 

[37818]

The problem is that of persuppositions in the understanding of words, both by the reader and from the translaters of the Bible text.

 

[agedman]

The problem is that of persuppositions in the understanding of words, both by the reader and from the translaters of the Bible text.

But what, without suppositions, would The Christ be labeled?

 

[37818]

But what, without suppositions, would The Christ be labeled?

What do you suppose? I understand Jesus to have taught, there is what belongs to government, and there is what belongs to God. Jesus did not teach socialism.

 

[agedman]

What do you suppose? I understand Jesus to have taught, there is what belongs to government, and there is what belongs to God. Jesus did not teach socialism.

Was none of his teaching socialistic?
Was none of his teaching theocratic?
Was none of his teaching autocratic?
Was none of his teaching communistic?
Was none of his teaching democratic?

The purpose of the thread is to hear the opinions of what label might be applied to The Christ.

However, you did bring up an area in which perhaps some might want to explore concerning the major human philosophical teachings concerning government and what Christ taught.

What I didn't want to happen in this thread was it becoming a so politically overrun with current events.

So, if one considers Scripture statements as presenting something from a philosophical teaching concerning the rule of a government, then that would fit with the purpose of the thread.

For example, is distributing the food of one with the many so that all are equally full fit any of the above (or one I left out)?

 

[evenifigoalone]

Jesus did not fit current political labels. If we look at the world and the impact of Christ's ministry, we see both good and bad.

About what I think--that if political, government running type things were important to Christianity, then we would have been left with instructions on how to run government. With what we have been left with, no specific instruction, you can make almost whatever you want out of it, or read your innate biases into it.
I think in the meantime, until Christ's return, our main concern should be making disciples, instead of making more laws.

 

[37818]

But what, without suppositions, would The Christ be labeled?

Without suppositions one cannot believe anything to know anything. One's fundamental suppositions are found in one's language. Starting with self. Even though reality is first. Without language, how can meaning be expressed?

 

[37818]

Was none of his teaching socialistic?

No.

Was none of his teaching theocratic?

What is a kingdom of God?

Was none of his teaching autocratic?

No.

Was none of his teaching communistic?

No.

Was none of his teaching democratic?

No.