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At-any-moment return of Christ?

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Me4Him

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Originally posted by Mel Miller:
Me4Him,

I submit this quote is not what Jesus taught:
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The "RAPTURE" and "SECOND COMING" are "TWO" totally different events, that are "COMPLETE OPPOSITES" of the other.
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1. Jesus taught that He will reap the "tares
first" and will send the angels to collect
what He will have reaped. Matt.13:30-4.

2. He taught that both tares and wheat will
be gathered at the "end of the age".
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The "end of the age" is 7 years "AFTER" the pre trib rapture, Jesus said "I WILL COME AGAIN AND RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF", No Angels are involved in the rapture.

Re 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, (Jesus) having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Re 14:16 And he (Jesus) that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.


3. He taught that everyone will see Him.
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Not in the rapture, it's over in the "twinkling of an eye".

In the rapture,
the "SAVED" leave the earth,
the "UNSAVED" remain "On Earth". (for trib period)

Second coming,
the "UNSAVED" (Tares) leave the Earth,
the "SAVED" remain "On Earth". (for MK)


6. Jesus will reign IN heaven as well as on
the earth during the Millennium. But those
who survive the G. T. will "reign ON the earth".
He will "shepherd" the Martyrs in heaven and
He will rule the nations with a "rod of iron".
Rev.7:15-17; Rev.2:25-27.

7. Yes, we will always "be with the Lord," but
He has the prerogative/power to bring the Martyrs to heaven to "reign WITH Him" there (Rev.20:4) while also reigning over the earth.
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In the Bible the "ONLY PLACE" you'll find Jesus "SITTING ON HIS THRONE" is "ON THE EARTH", in Heaven he sits on the "RIGHT HAND".

Every throne "ON EARTH" is Jesus's throne, even the GWT, all Judgement is committed to Jesus.

The "TRINITY" explains more than just "GOD".
9. Jesus nowhere teaches that He will rapture
believers before the tribulation; but He pinpoints the time that He "raises up every believer" (the last day) and "gathers the Elect from earth to heaven", i.e., on one of the days
immediately after the great tribulation. Mark
13:24. John verfies this in Rev.10:6-7 when
"time shall be no longer during THE (3 1/2)
DAYS whenever the last trump is about to sound"!
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But "EVERY BELIEVER" is not "raised" during the "PRE TRIB" rapture, the trib martyrs have yet to die.

Only at the 7th Trumpet is it the "appointed
(kairos) time to judge the dead (resurrection)
and reward the saints (rapture) and destroy the
destroyers of earth (Armageddons are gathered
before Christ comes as a thief". Rev.16:15-16)!

10. The "last trump" sounds once for Christ's
Coronation, a 2nd time to "gather the saints
from earth to heaven" and the 3rd time when He
sends the angels to complete the gathering "at the sound of a great trumpet"! Matt.24:31.
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If you'll study the "FEAST", you'll find that trumpets were blown both during the "Feast of trumpets" and the "Day of Atonement", and the latter known as the "LAST TRUMPET".

The "last trump" is the last "voice of the comforter", (HG) which is the "voice of Jesus", do I need to say that Jews have refused to hear that "VOICE" for "TWO THOUSAND YEARS", they aren't going to change tommorow, without "Signs and wonders", which Jesus won't give, they won't believe.

Israel/world goes back under the leadership of the "law and Prophets" during the trib, the "L/P" system stopped with Jesus and won't return until Jesus (church) leaves.

leadership by both "L/P" and "HG" do not function at the same time, in the same time frame, this is why one must stop before the other starts.

Jas 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. (at the same time)

Fig=Jews
Vine=Jesus
olives berries= fruit of the vine
Fountain=Jesus
Water=knowledge of the lord (woman at well)
Fresh=easy to drink, (spiritual crucify "old man")
Salty=hard to drink, (literally crucify "old man") Trib period.
 
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Mel Miller

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Me4Him,

Quotation is only 2/3 correct:
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If you'll study the "FEAST", you'll find that trumpets were blown both during the "Feast of trumpets" and the "Day of Atonement", and the latter known as the "LAST TRUMPET".
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The Rabbis blew their trumpets on RoshHashanah
(Tishri 1) on the Day of Atonement (Tishri 10)
and on the evening of the Feast of Tabernacles
(Tishri 14). The "Feast of Trumpets" included
all three festivals.

You overlooked the most important Feast of all!

The Feast of Tabernacles was the most holy and most eminent of the Hebrew Feasts because it
heralded the Ingathering of the "End of the
Year" Harvest and anticipated the salvation
of the Gentile nations which, in the their day,
amounted to "70 Nations".

This is according to Alfred Edersheim, in "The
Temple, Its Ministry and Services". He is one
of the greatest authorities of the last century.

Jesus is coming on the day/night of a "full
moon" which always occurred at the Feast of
Tabernacles. Zech.14:20. Because the Hebrew
calendar is always on a day before, during or after the full moon, "no one can know" the
exact day in advance!!

The Feast of Tabernacles commemorates the
deliverance from Egypt. At this Feast, the
"Last Trump" will sound that the promised
deliverance has come, including "all the
saints" coming with the Lord. Zech.14:5-7.

"On that Day the Lord will be king over all
the earth". Zech.14:9.

Feast of Tabernacles is the only unfulfilled
feast with a prophetic future. It was the
"end of the year" feast of ingathering and a
type of the "end of the age" ingathering.

There is no getting around the fact that Jesus
referred to this "last trump" when He said,
after "raising up every believer on the last
day" that He will send the angels AT THE SOUND of a great trumpet to "gather these Elect out
of the four winds" to Himself "on the *same day* He is revealed" . . . just as Lot was rescued
on the same day of Sodom's destruction.
Mark 13:27; Matt.24:31; Luke 17:27-30.

You admit yourself above that "NOT every
believer will be raised up" and therefore
not "gathered above" at a Pre-Trib Rapture.

There is no other trumpet that sounds after Christ appears ON THE LAST DAY . . . except
one that sounds the third time on that Day
to complete the Rapture of ALL the Saints.

Please give Jesus the glory He deserves!!

Mel Miller Junior www.lastday.net
 
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Me4Him

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The "feast of tabernacles" (living with God) corresponds to Jesus's second coming/Mill reign.

Jesus, as the "PASSOVER "LAMB" has already made "ATONEMENT".. IN HIS FLESH.. for "believers".

However Jews rejected Jesus, they will make "ATONEMENT"..IN THEIR OWN FLESH... (being physicaly killed) for rejecting Jesus.

The Church "Spiritually crucifies the OLD MAN" (flesh) to be saved,

Israel will have to "literally crucify the OLD MAN" to be saved.

Since Jesus has already made "Atonement" for "Believers", they will "LITERALLY, PASSOVER" (rapture) the coming "day of Atonement". (trib)

Get the picture??

There is a "last trump" "voice of Jesus", Rapture
and a "Last Trumpet". "Voice of God", end of world.
 
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