Atheists ask IRS to go after churches....

[righteousdude2]

.... for what they are preaching from the pulpit.

Just heard on FOX ... can't download link. If someone can thank you...

 

[ShagNappy]

Actually, they sued the IRS for not enforcing current laws, and the IRS cut a deal with them in exchange for them putting the lawsuit on hold...

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=94761

 

[pinoybaptist]

somehow, somewhere, God likely has a couple of brilliant Christian lawyers (maybe even non-believers of any deity) stashed somewhere who will bring their whips to bear on groups like these, and their government cohorts.
Like take them to court, and sue the skins off them, for curtailing certain inalienable rights, or suppressing whatever is traditionally held legal and civic.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

somehow, somewhere, God likely has a couple of brilliant Christian lawyers (maybe even non-believers of any deity) stashed somewhere who will bring their whips to bear on groups like these, and their government cohorts.
Like take them to court, and sue the skins off them, for curtailing certain inalienable rights, or suppressing whatever is traditionally held legal and civic.

They are asking the law to be enforced. If one objects to the law, lobby to get it changed. Or the churches in question may simply pay taxes as the price of admission.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

They are asking the law to be enforced. If one objects to the law, lobby to get it changed. Or the churches in question may simply pay taxes as the price of admission.

There is no law that will allow the IRS to strip churches of their tax exempt status. Whether registered as a 501(c)(3) or not, that is impossible. Their tax exempt status does not depend on the tax code or proper filings under its guidelines. See Recognition of Tax Exempt Status in IRS Publication 1828 at this link.

 

[Revmitchell]

There is no law that will allow the IRS to strip churches of their tax exempt status. Whether registered as a 501(c)(3) or not, that is impossible. Their tax exempt status does not depend on the tax code or proper filings under its guidelines.

This is inacurrate. It does depend on the tax code. What it does not depend on is a 5013c letter. Whether a church has a 501c3 letter or not the churches tax exemption will remain in place.

What the church can lose is its 5013c letter. Should that occure then the church will lose its corporate protections.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

This is inacurrate. It does depend on the tax code. What it does not depend on is a 5013c letter. Whether a church has a 501c3 letter or not the churches tax exemption will remain in place.

What the church can lose is its 5013c letter. Should that occure then the church will lose its corporate protections.

Actually, churches that meet the IRS definition of "church" are automatically tax exempt. Had you followed the link in that last post, and searched the document, you would have found this on page 3:

Recognition of Tax-Exempt Status
Automatic Exemption for Churches

Churches that meet the requirements of IRC section 501(c)(3) are automatically considered tax exempt and are not required to apply for and obtain recognition of tax-exempt status from the IRS. Although there is no requirement to do so, many churches seek recognition of tax-exempt status from the IRS because such recognition assures church leaders, members, and contributors that the church is recognized as exempt and qualifies for related tax benefits. For example, contributors to a church that has been recognized as tax exempt would know that their contributions generally are tax-deductible.

All the 501(c)(3) letter does is allow the church to issue tax receipts for donations. The church itself is tax exempt whether it has filed as a 501(c)(3) or not. That section is preceded by guidelines that include a statement that would appear to imply churches cannot engage in political activities, as that falls outside the description of an entity that is an " ... organization [that] must be organized and operated exclusively for religious, educational, scientific, or other charitable purposes," but that has failed to stand up as a limitation on church activities that brush up against public policy and politics.

For more on the issue, I'd suggest this essay-blog by Dr. Jeffrey Rodman, a Church Need to Apply to be a 501(c)(3) Nonprofit to Apply for Grants Don't let the title fool you. The first paragraph makes it clear that application for a 501(c)(3) letter is not necessary for a church to automatically be extended tax-exempt status.

 

[Revmitchell]

Actually, churches that meet the IRS definition of "church" are automatically tax exempt. Had you followed the link in that last post, and searched the document, you would have found this on page 3:All the 501(c)(3) letter does is allow the church to issue tax receipts for donations. The church itself is tax exempt whether it has filed as a 501(c)(3) or not. That section is preceded by guidelines that include a statement that would appear to imply that they cannot engage in political activities, as that falls outside the description of an entity that is an " ... organization [that] must be organized and operated exclusively for religious, educational, scientific, or other charitable purposes," but that has failed to stand up as a limitation on church activities that brush up against public policy and politics.

For more on the issue, I'd suggest this essay-blog by Dr. Jeffrey Rodman, a Church Need to Apply to be a 501(c)(3) Nonprofit to Apply for Grants Don't let the title fool you. The first paragraph makes it clear that application for a 501(c)(3) letter is not necessary for a church to automatically be extended tax-exempt status.

You need to go back and reread what I posted.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

You need to go back and reread what I posted.

Read it. It does not lose it's "corporate protections." It loses the ability to give tax receipts. That's all it loses.

 

[Revmitchell]

Read it. It does not lose it's "corporate protections." It loses the ability to give tax receipts. That's all it loses.

Actually it can lose its entire 501c3 letter altogether. That would mean corporate protections but that was not what you objected too the first time.

 

[Sharon Wilders]

If they do that to the Christian churches then the Scientology, mosques, and probably several other religions need to be monitored too. And I hope that the Christians who are lawyers do not just ignore this. I know the most about islam and that is an ideology that is basically politics that uses the religious verbage and rituals of religion. If their da'wa doesn't work, then violent jihad is (the most holiest form of jihad) is a-ok. And even part of zakat is to be divvied up according to sharia and part of it goes not only to violent jihadists but groups that do 'stealth' jihad, eg: Muslim Brotherhood front groups (CAIR, ISNA, ICNA, MSA, etc - too many front groups to list).

In fact, all the times that jihad is mentioned in Islam's texts - it is to do violence and/or aggressive politics to force us to obey sharia laws. THAT is political!!!

If anyone wants links - I can provide. BTW, even their daily salat denigrates and bashes us while calling for "Allah's path" which are sharia laws that very clearly says that jihad is an obligation upon all moslems AND to either kill or subjugate us. And there are many forms of jihad - to advance islam/sharia.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

This thread is from 2014, hence three years old (next to last post dates from Aug. 4, 2014). So, I'm going to close it as a zombie thread.