Atonement (Not PSA)

[JonC]

John, thank you for the time and effort you have put into this discussion. I say this with respect and without any hostility. At this point, though, we are no longer discussing the text of Scripture. We are now discussing me, my motives, my honesty, my “philosophy,” and my supposed presuppositions. That is not a path I am willing to walk.

You are welcome.

In seminary it was drilled in us that before we can study Scripture we first have to identify our own presippositions, our own worldviews...the things if left in the background will affect our understanding.

I admit that influences how I approach study. But I do not mean to force that on you.

I gave you my view of divine justice and the passages. Lets discuss them and other passages. Thus far you have not provided any passage that states what you believe. Instead you have reasoned out (philosophy) the passages stating what you think they teach.

Maybe if we stick to the actual text we can address my concerns in a roundabout way.

Lets go one at a time.

Would you agree that it is an abomination to punish the Just, that it is evil to treat the Righteous as if he were guilty?

 

[Anthony Pritchard]

You are welcome.

In seminary it was drilled in us that before we can study Scripture we first have to identify our own presippositions, our own worldviews...the things if left in the background will affect our understanding.

I admit that influences how I approach study. But I do not mean to force that on you.

I gave you my view of divine justice and the passages. Lets discuss them and other passages. Thus far you have not provided any passage that states what you believe. Instead you have reasoned out (philosophy) the passages stating what you think they teach.

Maybe if we stick to the actual text we can address my concerns in a roundabout way.

Lets go one at a time.

Would you agree that it is an abomination to punish the Just, that it is evil to treat the Righteous as if he were guilty?

John, I appreciate your willingness to continue, but I meant what I said earlier. I am stepping out of this discussion. I have already given the passages I believe speak to the atonement and divine justice, and I am content to leave them as they stand.

I do not think further back‑and‑forth will be profitable, so I will not be answering additional questions on this thread.

Thank you again for the conversation.

 

[kyredneck]

JonC

This has been one of the most thoughtful and engaging conversations on Scripture I’ve had in a very long time. Thank you for that.

~Tony

I've told JonC that very thing before. He's easy to converse with, whether you agree with him or not.