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[trying2understand]

Originally posted by DHK:
Are you afraid to do your own research Ron? The answers you might find to the definition of ekklesia in a Greek lexicon will once and for all put to death the definition of a Catholic organization or denomination. We all agree that ekklesia does not mean the "Catholic Church" You cannot prove that from the Bible or from a Greek study of the word. Demonstrate it if you can. Now the onus is on you.

DHK, that is not the question.

The point that I am making is that Baptists do not agree on what constitutes the church.

It seems that a lot of people here are upset with that statement but so far none have reconciled the contrary postitons taken by Baptists on this thread.

Do Baptists believe that there is or is not a universal church made up of all believers on earth?

Ron

[ December 11, 2002, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: trying2understand ]

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by trying2understand:

DHK, that is not the question.

Yes, this now has become the question. And until you do some of your own homework, I for one do not see any need to answer any more of your questions. For, just like on another thread like this one, you are not trying to understand. It all sounds very familiar. If your serious about understanding what the church is look the word ekklesia up for yourself and see for yourself.

The point that I am making is that Baptists do not agree on what constitutes the church.

It seems that a lot of people here are upset with that statement but so far none have reconciled the contrary postitons taken by Baptists on this thread.

Do Baptists believe that there is or is not a universal church made up of all believers on earth?

The point is that the Baptists posting down in this forum, particularly on this thread, probably have a lot more in common then you think. But it is no use trying to explain minor differences until you do some research on your own and find out what the church (ekklesia) really is.
I will give you a hint. You will not find the Roman Catholic Church in a Greek lexicon.
DHK

 

[trying2understand]

Originally posted by DHK:
The point is that the Baptists posting down in this forum, particularly on this thread, probably have a lot more in common then you think. But it is no use trying to explain minor differences until you do some research on your own and find out what the church (ekklesia) really is.
I will give you a hint. You will not find the Roman Catholic Church in a Greek lexicon.
DHK

Changing the subject may satisfy your fellow Baptists, but I have not lost sight of the fact that Baptists do not have an answer to my assertion that Baptists do not even have a common understanding of the "church".

BTW, it appears that you are the odd man out with the Baptists who have taken the view that there is indeed a universal church made up of all believers on earth. Perhaps you can convince one of them to go to the lexicon and answer your diversionary question.

For now, I'll stick with the subject at hand. I rather like it because it so vividly points out the weakness of sola scriptura. I mean defining the meaning of "church" should be pretty basic to your faith.

Ron

[ December 12, 2002, 03:59 AM: Message edited by: trying2understand ]

 

[Bible-belted]

"For now, I'll stick with the subject at hand. I rather like it because it so vividly points out the weakness of sola scriptura. I mean defining the meaning of "church" should be pretty basic to your faith."

As we have all agreed as to the meaning of ekkelsia, you are simply creating a division where none exists.

And since your definition of church does not even exist in the New Testament, you probably should drop the topic since while it does not illustrate what you think it does, your carrying on certainly illustrates the extra-biblical and anti-biblical nature of your denomination.

You have failed to answer any questions put to you, and have shown no effort in attempting to do anything other than demonstrate ignorance.

That means you, lad, are on ignore. Wake me when you are ready to really interact.

[ December 12, 2002, 09:05 AM: Message edited by: Latreia ]

 

[Netcurtains3]

When Peter and James held that chat in Jerusalem I think that chat was to make decisions for the "whole" church (in the acts of apostles somewhere or other). So yes there clearly is a physical church in the bible and it had chiefs and chiefesses - guys and girls at the top.

Net.

[ December 13, 2002, 02:11 AM: Message edited by: Netcurtains3 ]

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Netcurtains3:
When Peter and James held that chat in Jerusalem I think that chat was to make decisions for the "whole" church (in the acts of apostles somewhere or other). So yes there clearly is a physical church in the bible and it had chiefs and chiefesses - guys and girls at the top.

Net.

That won't do Net. You will have to back up this "Peter and James chat" thing with actual Scriptural references if you can find them. The same goes for "chiefs and chiefesses," "guys and girls at the top." If there were any "girls at the top," so to speak, then provide Scripture. Don't go making off the cuff remarks here that you can't back up Scripturally.
DHK