Automatic Salvation?

[Van]

More than poster seemed to indicate they believed when a lost person professed faith, the lost person is then automatically saved by God. In other words, if a lost person "believes," then they are automatically saved. No lost person who "believes" is ever not saved. God does NOT decide whether the lost person's "belief" meets His criteria for election to salvation.

But that view is a destructive heresy. God says salvation does not depend upon the person who wills to be saved or does something to be saved, but upon God's mercy. (Romans 9:16)

The lost person's belief and devotion to Christ is the prerequisite for God crediting that faith in the truth or not. That lost person's faith does not in any way merit or earn salvation, God is NOT required to accept it as meeting His sovereign purpose.

If a lost person chooses to NOT trust in Christ, they have no illusion of salvation according to our gospel. But if a lost person chooses to believe on and trust in Christ, they might think they are saved, and therefore stop seeking the Narrow Door, hence a destructive heresy. Faith without real commitment will NOT get it done. As James taught dead faith must be tossed and live faith sought. It is not the adjoining works that saves, but the deep commitment that brings faith to life.

 

[37818]

John 20:31, But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

1 John 5:9-13, If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[Silverhair]

John 20:31, But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

1 John 5:9-13, If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

@37818 you might as well talk to a wall as to talk to Van. His mind is made up so no need to confuse him with scripture.

A person has to hit the Van standard before God is allowed to save.

 

[kyredneck]

you might as well talk to a wall as to talk to Van. His mind is made up

ROFL!! Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Silverhair]

ROFL!! Pot, meet kettle.

We can always hope that you will see the light KY. No need to compare yourself to a kettle.

 

[Van]

John 20:31, But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

1 John 5:9-13, If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Totally off topic, the issue is who decides whether or not, a person believes such that God then chooses to transfer the person spiritually into Christ.

 

[Van]

SNIP
A person has to hit the Van standard before God is allowed to save.

Pay no attention folks, this poster makes up falsehoods, then attributes these fictions to others.

 

[Van]

ROFL!! Pot, meet kettle.

The suggestion I post anything like Mr. Silverhair, is a wicked perversion of truth.

Pay no attention to those intent upon derailing any discussion of scriptural doctrine, into a personality food fight. The behavior is demonic.

 

[Van]

Folks, now I count 8 posts, including 3 of my own, totally off Automatic Salvation.

Do they believe we are automatically saved when we profess belief, or does God decide whose faith to credit as righteousness?

Are there any posters willing and able to give an account for what they believe? Time will tell.

 

[37818]

Totally off topic, the issue is who decides whether or not, a person believes such that God then chooses to transfer the person spiritually into Christ.

What does it mean to believe Jesus to be the Christ?

1 John 5:1, Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . .

1 Corinthians 15:3-4, For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . .

 

[37818]

Folks, now I count 8 posts, including 3 of my own, totally off Automatic Salvation.

Do they believe we are automatically saved when we profess belief, or does God decide whose faith to credit as righteousness?

Are there any posters willing and able to give an account for what they believe? Time will tell.

Genesis 15:6, And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

John 8:24, I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

John 8:56, Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

John 8:58, Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[Van]

What does it mean to believe Jesus to be the Christ?

1 John 5:1, Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . .

1 Corinthians 15:3-4, For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . .

Yet another totally off topic post. Who decides!!!! Answer that question!!! Stop derailing discussion!!

It is not about the content of believe, or about sincerity of belief, but about who decides whether the effort qualifies as "belief?"

And Abraham "believed," in the LORD, and God counted Abraham's belief to Abraham as righteousness.

 

[Silverhair]

Pay no attention folks, this poster makes up falsehoods, then attributes these fictions to others.

Van what do we see in scripture as to how or why someone is saved?

Act 16:30 and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
That's the question Van

And here is the answer
Act 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

What it does not say is well you have to say you believe and then wait to see if God thinks it is good enough then if it's good enough He will save you.

That is the Van fiction you are trying to force unto the truth of scripture.

You have decided that you know better than God.

 

[37818]

Yet another totally off topic post. Who decides!!!! Answer that question!!! Stop derailing discussion!!

It is not about the content of believe, or about sincerity of belief, but about who decides whether the effort qualifies as "belief?"

And Abraham "believed," in the LORD, and God counted Abraham's belief to Abraham as righteousness.

You are simply wrong headed in your hearing.

Ephesians 5:5, . . . the kingdom of Christ and God.

Christ being the LORD God.

John 14:6, Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[Silverhair]

Yet another totally off topic post. Who decides!!!! Answer that question!!! Stop derailing discussion!!

It is not about the content of believe, or about sincerity of belief, but about who decides whether the effort qualifies as "belief?"

And Abraham "believed," in the LORD, and God counted Abraham's belief to Abraham as righteousness.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

 

[Van]

You are simply wrong headed in your hearing.

Ephesians 5:5, . . . the kingdom of Christ and God.

Christ being the LORD God.

John 14:6, Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Again no effort to answer the question, making the post an effort to derail discussion.

 

[Van]

Van what do we see in scripture as to how or why someone is saved?

Act 16:30 and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
That's the question Van

And here is the answer
Act 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

What it does not say is well you have to say you believe and then wait to see if God thinks it is good enough then if it's good enough He will save you.

That is the Van fiction you are trying to force unto the truth of scripture.

You have decided that you know better than God.

Why this poster is allowed to disrupt discussion is beyond me. Does God decide whether the lost person's faith is "good enough?" Who said that. Nobody. God crediting the lost person's faith as righteousness is an act of mercy, as that person with that faith deserves condemnation.

Salvation does NOT depend upon the person who wills, but upon God who has mercy.

 

[37818]

Again no effort to answer the question, making the post an effort to derail discussion.

John 1:18, No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Genesis 12:7, And the LORD appeared unto Abram, . . . .
John 8:56, Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

 

[Ascetic X]

Can it be shown in the New Testament when a person believed in Jesus Christ, but their faith was rejected because not deep or sincere enough?

We must believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, not just agree that He exists.

Automatic salvation indicates God performing what He has promised.

Aside from individuals pretending to believe, or believing superficially, and not truly exercising genuine faith, I see no reason to think that once we do believe in Jesus Christ, more has to happen to achieve salvation. Authentic faith must produce fruit or works that coincide with faith, but we are saved by grace through faith.

Nowhere in scriptures do I see anything like “believe in Jesus Christ as Son of God and your personal Lord, then maybe God will credit that faith as righteousness, but maybe He will not.”


Acts 8:12, 37

12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”

And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”




Romans 4

3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,

13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be [a]sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him,

24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,

 

[37818]

1 John 5:10, He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4, ". . . the gospel . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . "