Babies In Hell 2

[Forever Settled]

Did not Moses and Aaron 'die in their sin' of unbelief in the wilderness? That entire wilderness generation (excluding Joshua and Caleb) perished in their sin of unbelief. The passages in Jn 8 are perfectly synonymous with:

You are confusing and mixing the saved with the Lost.
Do you believe a saved person can loose their salvation ?

 

[kyredneck]

You are confusing and mixing the saved with the Lost.

Were Moses and Aaron 'saved'? Did Moses and Aaron die in the wilderness due to their sin of unbelief?

Do you believe a saved person can loose their salvation ?

All His saints are preserved eternally while suffering the consequences of their actions temporally.

 

[Forever Settled]

Were Moses and Aaron 'saved'? Did Moses and Aaron die in the wilderness due to their sin of unbelief?



All His saints are preserved eternally while suffering the consequences of their actions temporally.

Sure they were saved .

You are applying scripture to the saved that is intended for the lost.

 

[kyredneck]

You are applying scripture to the saved that is intended for the lost.

You are reading 'hell' into the scriptures where it is not the intent.

 

[Forever Settled]

You are reading 'hell' into the scriptures where it is not the intent.

A LOST man who dies in his sins .....will bust hell wide open .

A saved person who dies with unconfessed sin Will NOT. Bust hell wide open.

 

[kyredneck]

... k....

 

[Yeshua1]

Poll question from 1st thread:

Are people born 'hellbound' due to Adam's transgression?



When I 'imagine' hell the incomprehensible comes to mind, infinity in a torture chamber. God is just and righteous and it's inconceivable to me that He would create a living being, allow that being to exist mere minutes, and then send it to the eternal flame. We all agree that God is just and righteous, and even most of the hellers are repulsed (except @SovereignGrace) at the notion and attempt to keep God just and righteous in their 'imagination with ‘yes born hellbound but no’ reasoning like:

"I voted yes that we are born lost in sin and bound for hell although God exempts us until we each reach the age of reason..." (yes but no)

"I believe all people are hell bound because of Adam's actions but no I won't give up a belief in an age of accountability...." (yes but no)

“I believe that infants are hell-bound due to Adam's transgression, but I do not believe that those who die in infancy ever arrive there.” (yes but no)

“We do know that God always does that which is right. If God can create the Heavens and the Earth why can He not implant faith into the unborn? He is the God of the impossible. Yes I believe that God implants faith into infants” (yes but no)

"Making His Gospel known to the soul in the womb takes no more of a supernatural act than His making His Gospel known to you." (yes but no)

“I voted Yes, I do not believe they will be actually babies in neither Heaven nor Hell.” (yes but no)

IMO, most if not all of these hellers don’t really believe ‘hellbound at birth’ and should have voted no in the poll. We know God is consistently an advocate for the innocent throughout the scripture and judges those who sin against the innocent.



15 having hope toward God, which these also themselves look for, that there shall be a resurrection both of the just and unjust. Acts 24:15

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice,
29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. Jn 5

12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20

5 but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 who will render to every man according to his works: Ro 2

So, according to the Calvinist 'Adam narrative' when the books are opened infants that die who have no works of their own will be judged by Adam’s works, right?

I reject the Calvinist constructed ‘Adam narrative’. I’ll stick with the text of scripture. We’re all going to be judged according to our works, not Adam’s. The atonement wiped the slate clean from Adam’s transgression - Romans 5:18.

The righteous judgment of God who will render to every man according to his works. Not Adam's.

1 Corinthians 15:22 is where paul would be going against you though!

 

[kyredneck]

1 Corinthians 15:22 is where paul would be going against you though!

Acknowledged already.

Scripture! Good for you Yesh!

 

[percho]

Did not Moses and Aaron 'die in their sin' of unbelief in the wilderness? That entire wilderness generation (excluding Joshua and Caleb) perished in their sin of unbelief. The passages in Jn 8 are perfectly synonymous with:

And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. Acts 3:23

...or maybe you prefer to read into the text:

And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall go to hell Acts 3:23

How I would understand that verse.

and as it is laid up to men once, to die, and after this -- judgment, Heb 9:27 YLT I added a comer because I thought one was needed. That, "once," happened to those in the wilderness and actually to Joshua and Caleb later.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Rev 20:15 However is this before of after the, judgement? What judgement? When does that judgement take place? Before or after, the sea gives up the dead in it and death and ?hell? give up the dead that are in them?

I some time wonder when the following might take place?

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Phil 2:10,11

Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 12:3