Baby Got Bible

:laugh: Yea, I'm gettin' old!

He was popular in the 70's for his raunchy, offensive style of music (?). He was so offensive that he had to buy his own recording company to make his albums because no one else would sign him on their label. Sorry for the confusion. It doesn't matter. I was just using his disgusting lyrics as an example. Of course, now there are plenty of offensive lyrics out there. That's why I don't understand why someone would put Christian lyrics to a known offensive song.

 

Nah, you're not old.. .I just lived a sheltered life!

 

That's a good thing! I never liked that kind of music, but I had friends that did. I was just a teenager way back then! Now I have a 21 year old son!

 

John Wesley and his brother, the founders of Methodism, did use secular music and music from bar tunes as hymn accompaniment (http://en.allexperts.com/e/c/co/contemporary_christian_music.htm).

In reality, several of Wesley’s hymns were mariners tunes or even bar tunes with new lyrics, which led many lost sinners to sing along and be exposed to the Gospel during evangelistic meetings ([SIZE=-1]www.buildingchurch.net/media/music-church.pdf)[/SIZE]

 

and Paul used secular poems as key points in his sermons.

 

Titus 1:12 "One of themselves, a prophet of their own, said, "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons."

Almosat like the local news.

 

Did the bar tunes contain filthy lyrics? Using a familiar tune is not so much the problem as the words of the tune. How do you get filthy lyrics out of your head when your singing the same tune to different lyrics?

 

The same way a person gets anything that is junk out of their mind.

A lot of the problem stems from when we listen to things we shouldn't.

Phil 4:8 "Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things."

Romans 12:2 "And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect."

 

I don't think I would use it in church, but I did laugh and I appreciate the point they were trying to make. It was not worshipful in my mind, but certainly did not make me think any bad thoughts.

 

The same way my father-in-law did when he first heard "At the cross" sung in church and though they were singing a version of

"At the bar at the bar where I smoked my first cigar..."

You redirect your mind.

 

Debunking the Wesley Tavern Song Myth

Bar tunes not Wesleys' way: exposing the vulgar myth behind Methodist hymns - Religion - inspiration for hymns of John and Charles Wesley

Music expert debunks myth that Wesleys used drinking songs

 

All od those articles are written by the same person.

I am not much of a musician but I have some friends who majored in music and know the names of the songs Wesley used to do what he did. One of them gave me the words and music to a song he used.

 

They are written...in the order listed...by

1. Dean McIntyre
2. Larry Witham
3. Linda Green

 

Culturally Relevant

No Sir, your point is the same utter failure as so many others that seem to want to change culture to fit their narrow view of the proper Christian lifestyle. Being IN the world refers to our cultural relevance in relation to the world. If we are so abnormal and disconnected from our culture how can we expect them to see Christ in us? They will not even look at us or hear us if we live in the extreem as you suggest that we do.

It is so sad that we are unable to discern that scripture both applies and is effective in all cultures. Scripture does not live in a cultural vacuum as you suggest, it is active in all forms of culture to reach all forms of people. Will you not even follow the same scriptures that you want to use but choose to ignore?

Remember what Paul said, I am become all things to all men so that I might reach some of them. He was speaking of his cultural relevance. Paul is the greatest example of being, acting, and speaking different ways in different cultures.

For some reason we have some half-brained idea that all culture should conform to our ideas of what culture should be. That is so prideful and disgusting. If it were not for different cultures we would not have many of the great hymns of the faith that we have. You cannot take a 1950's mindset/culture and reach a 21st century post-modern world.

Get Current

 

Bar Tunes

You have to have some good to replace the evil with. How do we overcome anything, we replace the evil with something that is better. You cannot overcome a problem or habit when you do not replace it with good things to fill the gap with.

 

I asked my son about this video this morning. He's 21. He was very familiar with the song though he can't stand rap or stuff like that. I asked him if he thought it was ok to put Christian lyrics to a song like that. He said no, because you would always be hearing the original words in your head. Didn't I say that yesterday?:laugh: I did not voice my opinion at all, I just asked him the question. For all of you who have never heard the song, you should actually listen to the original words before you judge my 'legalistic' view.

I just wanted to get the opinion of someone who is not 'old' like me!

 

I heard the original song a couple of weeks ago when making a late nite stop to wal-mart. I can't imagine what would have happened if some little Christian girl happened to be in the store and was delighted when she thought she heard her favorite Christian DJ rapping on aisle 5 and then stopped to hear what he was saying...

 

Some seem to argue that she needs to know all about the filthiness of the world if she is going to reach the lost...

Not what I believe by the way.

 

That is pretty scary.

So you do not think that instrumental metal, such as Steve Vai or Joe Satriannia, is sinful?

After all, there are no lyrics.