Off topic insult post from the arsenal of Calvinism.
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KenH
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Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption
They had to wait to be made perfect until after Christ died. Why not address Hebrews 11:39-40 instead of denying biblical truth?
On and on they want to discuss their insults to change the subject rather than defend Calvinism. Why not address Hebrews 11:39-40 instead of denying biblical truth? It is time to consign the false TULI doctrines of the Tulip to the dust bin of history. These four fallacies are linked logically together, thus like a house of card, if any one is false, then they are all false. The "T" claims no one ever seeks God, while fallen and unregenerate, but Matthew 23:13 demonstrates some of the unsaved do seek God as they were in the process of entering the kingdom. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 demonstrates we are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, thus a conditional election, rather than the false doctrine of the "U." 1 Timothy 2:6 demonstrates that Christ died for all humanity when considered in light of 2 Peter 2:1 where even those heading for swift destruction were bought by the Master. Lastly the "I" (Irresistible Grace) is demonstrated false by 2 Thessalonians 2:13 because we cannot be given faith after being chosen since we are chosen by way of our pre-existing faith.
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KenH
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That does not mean they were not saved. God's elect were certainly saved.
Psalms 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; And uphold me with thy free spirit.
Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
Seems that God saved different ways in the OT and NT per some here!
What nonsense. Did anyone say the OT Saints had not "obtained approval" by faith? (Hebrews 11:2, 39 and 40)
All OT Saints became elect through faith in the truth, 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
Note the "endless question" ploy of the Calvinists, and note they do not defend their false doctrines: It is time to consign the false TULI doctrines of the Tulip to the dust bin of history. These four fallacies are linked logically together, thus like a house of card, if any one is false, then they are all false. The "T" claims no one ever seeks God, while fallen and unregenerate, but Matthew 23:13 demonstrates some of the unsaved do seek God as they were in the process of entering the kingdom. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 demonstrates we are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, thus a conditional election, rather than the false doctrine of the "U." 1 Timothy 2:6 demonstrates that Christ died for all humanity when considered in light of 2 Peter 2:1 where even those heading for swift destruction were bought by the Master. Lastly the "I" (Irresistible Grace) is demonstrated false by 2 Thessalonians 2:13 because we cannot be given faith after being chosen since we are chosen by way of our pre-existing faith.
Wow. Imagine Nathaniel, before the cross, before he'd ever met Christ, getting this 'praise' from the God-man Jesus:
47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! Jn 1
...compare to:
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Ro 2
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live... Regeneration!!!... Brother Glen
Note the endless question and the continued avoidance of accepting God's word.
LOL, what nonsense. Does this poster claim anyone was made perfect before Christ died? If so what scripture even suggests such error? None. Is a person made perfect by being without guile? Nope A person could openly not forgive others. Could a person be made perfect by being "praiseworthy?" Nope But what does Romans 2:29 say? That those saved undergo the circumcision of the heart by the Spirit.
Scripture is clear, people are made perfect by the washing of regeneration, the circumcision of Christ, the removal of what God has against them. And just how and by what means is this salvation accomplished? By the blood of the Lamb.
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KenH
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Your statement is false.
Ephesians 1:4 according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world (emphasis mine)
2 Timothy 1:9 who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began (emphasis mine)
Yet another post citing verses that do not support the Calvinist false doctrine.
Again this poster, nor any other Calvinist leaning poster will explain how those chosen to be a people for God's own possession were once not a people, if they were chosen individually before creation. (1 Peter 2:9-10). Or how if chosen individually before creation once had not obtained mercy. They would have obtained mercy by their individual election before they were created so they would always have obtained mercy. Therefore scripture precludes individual (but not corporate) election before creation.
What grace was given to those individually chosen during their lifetime before creation? God chose Christ to be His Redeemer to redeem believing individuals, and that bestowal of loving grace is what is in view in 2 Timothy 1:9. So once again, Calvinism uses a vague verse or passage to claim support where none actually exists.
5 point Gillinist
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What we have here folks is another non-Calvinism thread that got turned into a Calvinism thread by a certain individual.
The fact that church discipline is rare is also a major contributor. If that happened word would get out that your church is "hateful" and as a result, you'll lose out on all those potential tithes.
CalTech
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Greetings,
I agree with the "church" discipline is "rare", I would say it is almost completely non-existent. Why look at "baptistboard", oh they have "discipline" but they come up with their own "Rules" which do not follow our Lord's, nor the Apostles teachings. I have found hypocrisy, double standard's, and favoritism, censorship, and a real lack of allowing the truth to be told, because of "offences". However, I have found some good teaching, and some sincere individual believer's here also, not many but a few.
So it is the same with the "main stream" church organization that is in the world.....actually the world and it's cultural belief's, have taken it over.
Now regarding this group in the video. I was into them a few years back, they have some good truth's, but I do not follow them any longer.
The Lord bless you....
In His Love...
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