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Baldwin charged with involuntary mansalughter
- Thread starter Salty
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Well, Jon - seems like in the Army - the first thing they taught about a weapon is that you dont point it at someone unless you intend to kill them
RighteousnessTemperance&
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"Actor and producer Alec Baldwin and armourer Hannah Gutierrez Reed will each be charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter," the statement read. "I have determined that there is sufficient evidence."
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Both face up to 18 months in jail and a $5,000 (£4,040) fine if convicted. They will be tried by a jury, prosecutors said.
Film director Joel Souza was also wounded in the shooting, but prosecutors said no charges would be filed in connection with that.
The film's assistant director David Halls entered a guilty plea to a misdemeanour charge of negligent use of a deadly weapon, prosecutors said. He will spend six months serving probation.
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"Actor and producer Alec Baldwin and armourer Hannah Gutierrez Reed will each be charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter," the statement read. "I have determined that there is sufficient evidence."
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Both face up to 18 months in jail and a $5,000 (£4,040) fine if convicted. They will be tried by a jury, prosecutors said.
Film director Joel Souza was also wounded in the shooting, but prosecutors said no charges would be filed in connection with that.
The film's assistant director David Halls entered a guilty plea to a misdemeanour charge of negligent use of a deadly weapon, prosecutors said. He will spend six months serving probation.
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RighteousnessTemperance&
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At least I was sitting down when I read this, but still almost fell outta my chair!
Shoulda prefaced it with "Now, hold on to your seats..."
RighteousnessTemperance&
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An initial investigation into the incident found there was "a degree of neglect", producers were fined more than $136,000 by the New Mexico Environment Department for failing to enforce safety protocols.
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Mr Baldwin has also filed a lawsuit against several people involved with the film, including Ms Gutierrez Reed and Mr Halls, alleging that they both failed to check the gun carefully.
In October, the 64-year-old actor and the film's production company reached a settlement for an undisclosed amount with the family of Ms Hutchins.
It came after the cinematographer's husband filed a wrongful death lawsuit which alleged violations of industry standards.
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An initial investigation into the incident found there was "a degree of neglect", producers were fined more than $136,000 by the New Mexico Environment Department for failing to enforce safety protocols.
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Mr Baldwin has also filed a lawsuit against several people involved with the film, including Ms Gutierrez Reed and Mr Halls, alleging that they both failed to check the gun carefully.
In October, the 64-year-old actor and the film's production company reached a settlement for an undisclosed amount with the family of Ms Hutchins.
It came after the cinematographer's husband filed a wrongful death lawsuit which alleged violations of industry standards.
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RighteousnessTemperance&
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Is this a new development, the widower being an executive producer?
“Production of the film had been scheduled to resume this year, with Mr Hutchins on board as executive producer.”
“Production of the film had been scheduled to resume this year, with Mr Hutchins on board as executive producer.”
True...BUT they were making a movie. I mean, imagine a world where Eastwood had to play Jed Cooper without using a gun.
Point is threshold have been no live ammo on the set. It was somebody's responsibility to make sure the guns used in the filming were safe for use in filming.
AND we do point guns at one another in training. We just used blanks (no live rounds). The military also uses plastic bullets (I have a friend who worked with training tge coast guard in clearing ships. He said they are accurate but have a short range.....and hurt.).
BTW, an interesting thing about the military is decades ago they found it is more effective to wound on the battlefield (it takes more resources from the enemy).
Don't like him, and I think he's reprehensible for a variety of reasons, but I'm not going to sandbag him because he's a liberal kook, even though he likes to sandbag non-libs.
I also think it was an honest accident and that there shouldn't be charges, or if there are to be charges the sentences should only be probation. Actors point prop guns at people all the time, and regardless of whether I think that's a horrible idea or not, they get paid to do it.
Whoever loaded a live round into that firearm does need something to happen to them. Not sure if I think it should be criminal yet, but certainly some kind of negligence.
I also think it was an honest accident and that there shouldn't be charges, or if there are to be charges the sentences should only be probation. Actors point prop guns at people all the time, and regardless of whether I think that's a horrible idea or not, they get paid to do it.
Whoever loaded a live round into that firearm does need something to happen to them. Not sure if I think it should be criminal yet, but certainly some kind of negligence.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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Baldwin wasn’t involved just as an actor, but also as a producer on set. This could mean he helped set the stage for that catastrophe. At the very least, shouldn’t he be held responsible as the final one required to check the ammo? If not, should anyone be considered guilty?
I’ll let the jury decide, but from here it doesn’t look right. With live rounds on the set when none belonged, even Baldwin could have put one in the chamber. Not saying he did, only that there is reasonable doubt that the first to handle was the one who loaded that fatal round.
Probably not. It was a tragic accident that could have happened on any movie set where guns are used.
But we live in a culture of victimhood.
Do you remember Arthur Ashe (the tennis player)?
He had a blood transfusion during heart surgery and was infected with HIV. He was encouraged to sue the medical facility but refused because AIDS was not on the radar when he had the surgery. He didn't blame the surgeons. And he died of AIDS.
If that happened today with a disease unknown eight years ago it would be unheard of not to sue.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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I had not heard details of Ashe's AIDS case. Just that he was homosexual.
Lawsuits are flying in this instance, and the widower has won one and settled another. It's the criminal liability that is in question here. He doesn't seem to be on board with the criminal trials.
Ashe was not gay. He was married with a family (he married Jeanne Moutoussamy and remained married to her until his death in 1993).
In regards to his health issues he was asked how he remained so positive. He replied - “If I were to say, ‘God, why me?’ about the bad things, then I should have said, ‘God, why me?’ about the good things that happened in my life.”
RighteousnessTemperance&
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Yes, thanks for the clarification, and I shouldn’t have left it that way. My bad. Hearing it ain’t the same as it being so.
Ashe's response is a most righteous one.
