Ball caps on boys and men during worship services

[Revmitchell]

Calling someone out from the pulpit is very very extreme. When issues become more important than people then we have lost sight of the purpose of the church.

 

[Judith]

Over the past couple of years I've noticed what seems to be somewhat of a trend (esp. in so-called "contemporary" churches) of some boys and young men to wear ball caps on their heads during worship services.

Now, I wouldn't say that this is necessarily a "sin," especially if some visitor or what I'd guess you'd call "an unchurched" male chose to do this, but, OTOH when I see this on males that are deacons and/or elders or some other "position holders" (ss superintendents, ss teachers, etc.), does kinda bother me to some extent.

Maybe it's none of my business (probably is), and so far I've never talked to anyone else about it, but shouldn't there be some "sense of decorum" about something like this during a public worship service?


Thoughts?

Yes I agree and I think your concern is proper and biblical. In 1Cor it reads this. 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
I believe what we are seeing is the church turning from reverence for personal desire and conmfort.

 

[webdog]

Yes I agree and I think your concern is proper and biblical. In 1Cor it reads this. 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
I believe what we are seeing is the church turning from reverence for personal desire and conmfort.

So all women wear head covering?

 

[Salty]

Its interesting - many folks will come to church in whatever - but for a funeral or a wedding - they get all dressed up.

 

[michael-acts17:11]

If somebody did that in our church, I would have no problem calling them out from the pulpit.

If I were a member of your church & witnessed that kind of arrogant outburst from the pulpit, I would stop you afterward & demand an apology to the church. It would be proof of misplaced priorities & a Pharisaistic sense of personal authority.

On second thought, I might actually demand the Biblical basis for your condemnation before you resumed the sermon. However, the fact that you'd feel comfortable with such an action tells me that you rule your church instead of leading it, & that it is the type of church I would never join. So, I'm sure you have nothing to worry about.

 

[salzer mtn]

Its interesting - many folks will come to church in whatever - but for a funeral or a wedding - they get all dressed up.

Maybe in your part of the world but not mine. I have also witnessed some people going to a pretty costly eating place dressed in their old work clothes that have not been washed all week. They could have took what they spent on the meal and bought a new pair of pants or soap to wash what they wore. I also think it is people rebelling against authority.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

If I were a member of your church & witnessed that kind of arrogant outburst from the pulpit, I would stop you afterward & demand an apology to the church. It would be proof of misplaced priorities & a Pharisaistic sense of personal authority.

On second thought, I might actually demand the Biblical basis for your condemnation before you resumed the sermon. However, the fact that you'd feel comfortable with such an action tells me that you rule your church instead of leading it, & that it is the type of church I would never join. So, I'm sure you have nothing to worry about.

Well, the good news is that I'm sure there are plenty of churches around that will be happy to kiss your backside, just the way you demand they do, so there's no reason for you to waste your time here.

 

[michael-acts17:11]

Well, the good news is that I'm sure there are plenty of churches around that will be happy to kiss your backside, just the way you demand they do, so there's no reason for you to waste your time here.

Such arrogance. Such ignorance. Would you happen to be an IFB preacher who likes to have his own backside kissed by the sheep who follow him blindly? No one kisses anyone's backsides in a true church. We have respect & love for one another.

Where I attend, we understand that every believer is an equal member of the Body of Christ & of the priesthood of believers. Our pastors aren't filled with prideful self-righteousness, nor do they seek unScriptural authority within the Church of God. God rejects men who seek the higher places & upper rooms.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Such arrogance. Such ignorance.

You really don't have to recap your previous post for us. We all saw it.

Would you happen to be an IFB preacher who likes to have his own backside kissed by the sheep who follow him blindly?

Nope. Not even close.

No one kisses anyone's backsides in a true church. We have respect & love for one another.

And yet, you describe yourself as one who demands it.

Where I attend, we understand that every believer is an equal member of the Body of Christ & of the priesthood of believers. Our pastors aren't filled with prideful self-righteousness, nor do they seek unScriptural authority with the Church of God. God rejects men who seek the higher places & upper rooms.

Yes, you would do well to remember that.

 

[saturneptune]

If somebody did that in our church, I would have no problem calling them out from the pulpit.

While I said wearing a hat is disrepectful, it does not justify that extreme position. I know local churches if you called someone down from the pulpit for that reason, you would probably be given a choice of mustard or ketsup as you ate the pulpit board by board.

 

[sag38]

Johndeere once told me that church discipline would be used against me if I defied their church rule and brought a water bottle into their church sanctuary. You know? Water bottles and baseball caps are demonic and need to be dealt with directly from the pulpit.

 

[JonC]

Over the past couple of years I've noticed what seems to be somewhat of a trend (esp. in so-called "contemporary" churches) of some boys and young men to wear ball caps on their heads during worship services.

Now, I wouldn't say that this is necessarily a "sin," especially if some visitor or what I'd guess you'd call "an unchurched" male chose to do this, but, OTOH when I see this on males that are deacons and/or elders or some other "position holders" (ss superintendents, ss teachers, etc.), does kinda bother me to some extent.

Maybe it's none of my business (probably is), and so far I've never talked to anyone else about it, but shouldn't there be some "sense of decorum" about something like this during a public worship service?


Thoughts?

For many it is disrespectful (it is for me also – I always remove my cap when I enter a building). But it isn’t for many. It is disrespectful in Japan to rub chopsticks together, but it is common practice here with no disrespect intended. It is disrespectful for many to approach a superior inappropriately attired (also to attend church dressed casually). Signs of such respect do not always transcend culture, and ours is multicultural. I think it important to remember that the individual who wears the ball cap in church is not necessarily disrespecting God or the church – they are most likely unaware that their dress may be offensive and I am not sure that it is up to that person to cater to the offended in this case. While it does bother me, I know that this is because of how I grew up and traditions that I have adopted throughout the years.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Johndeere once told me that church discipline would be used against me if I defied their church rule and brought a water bottle into their church sanctuary. You know? Water bottles and baseball caps are demonic and need to be dealt with directly from the pulpit.

As usual, you're lying. I've never said such a silly thing.

 

[sag38]

Yes you did my friend. I can look it up if I have too. Why would I lie about such a thing?

 

[OldRegular]

Over the past couple of years I've noticed what seems to be somewhat of a trend (esp. in so-called "contemporary" churches) of some boys and young men to wear ball caps on their heads during worship services.

Now, I wouldn't say that this is necessarily a "sin," especially if some visitor or what I'd guess you'd call "an unchurched" male chose to do this, but, OTOH when I see this on males that are deacons and/or elders or some other "position holders" (ss superintendents, ss teachers, etc.), does kinda bother me to some extent.

Maybe it's none of my business (probably is), and so far I've never talked to anyone else about it, but shouldn't there be some "sense of decorum" about something like this during a public worship service?


Thoughts?

A man, or boy, wearing a ball cap or inappropriate attire in a worship service demonstrates the lack of respect for God that is so prevalent among congregation at the present time.

There are a number of themes that are prevalent in Scripture. One of these is the Holiness of God. A second is the limitless Grace of God. A third is the sinfulness of man; sadly so frequently demonstrated in worship services!

 

[Salty]

I... also think it is people rebelling against authority.

A man, or boy, wearing a ball cap or inappropriate attire in a worship service demonstrates the lack of respect for God that is so prevalent among congregation at the present time. ...

I agree with both of these Gentlemem.

The big question is- where do you draw the line?

A) someone who has not taken a bath for 3 months
B) someone comes to church in a bathing suit
C) someone who is smoking inside the church bldg
D) someone listening to a radio via earphone
E) Someone who brings in a McDonalds meal and eats during the church service
F) allowing children to run around the sanactuary during service
G) fill in the blank

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

A man, or boy, wearing a ball cap or inappropriate attire in a worship service demonstrates the lack of respect for God that is so prevalent among congregation at the present time.

There are a number of themes that are prevalent in Scripture. One of these is the Holiness of God. A second is the limitless Grace of God. A third is the sinfulness of man; sadly so frequently demonstrated in worship services!

Hows about a Yamaka maybe!?! OYE

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Yes you did my friend. I can look it up if I have too.

OK. Do that.

Why would I lie about such a thing?

Why don't you tell us? You're the one who falsely accused me and are now unable to show any evidence.