Banished from a public library?

[lifeandliberty]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
I think a better solution is to see if you can place your flyers in a public access area rather than surrepticiously hiding them inside books. Most libraries have an area near the door where flyers and free literature can be placed. I think putting things inside library books is indeed littering and reason to for action by the library.

This needs not be an either/or situation. I place cards into books that will be veiwed by specific people. I usually put them into books dealing with reproductive issues and abortion. Health books for women and men are also good places. I seek places that deal with issues that interest people within their reproductive years. It is the target group we usually go after. Laying cards around is find but fewer people in our target group will get them.

 

[lifeandliberty]

Originally posted by rsr:
I stand with the librarian, at least for the time being. Would you think it acceptable if someone inserted Wiccan or Muslim or atheist literature in books in the young adult section?

If you have a problem with the rules, or the items on the shelf, then go to the library's governing board and, if not satisfied there, beyond.

If the ungodly choses to spread their filth, it is out of my control. They do that already in this library with the libraries approval. I, however, have a commision from the King of Kings to spread His truth wherever I go. That is my concern.

 

[lifeandliberty]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
L&L, I went to your website. I must comment that you are getting close to Phelps-like tactics, at least that is the impression your photos give. I also think it is horrible to engage prepubescent children in protests against homosexuals. They are too young to be thinking about sex at all, and should be enjoying the short innocence of childhood, not out protesting other people's sexual inclinations. I also saw a photo of a child approaching the driver of a car in the street on your website. This is dangerous. Your tactics are impressive, but not in a positive way. This photo is sad:
http://www.lifeandlibertyministries.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=4

If our website led you to that conclusion, then you don't have a clue about Phelps' methods. We are as diferent as day and night.

Children are never in danger and we train up our children in the way they should go.

We never take children to sodomite events where lewdness as visible.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Originally posted by lifeandliberty:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by rsr:
I stand with the librarian, at least for the time being. Would you think it acceptable if someone inserted Wiccan or Muslim or atheist literature in books in the young adult section?

If you have a problem with the rules, or the items on the shelf, then go to the library's governing board and, if not satisfied there, beyond.

If the ungodly choses to spread their filth, it is out of my control. They do that already in this library with the libraries approval. I, however, have a commision from the King of Kings to spread His truth wherever I go. That is my concern. </font>[/QUOTE]As a Christian, you also have an obligation to honor the rules or work to change them. The Bible says God put authorities in power, and to honor them. By breaking the rules, you damage your witness.

 

[lifeandliberty]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by lifeandliberty:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by rsr:
I stand with the librarian, at least for the time being. Would you think it acceptable if someone inserted Wiccan or Muslim or atheist literature in books in the young adult section?

If you have a problem with the rules, or the items on the shelf, then go to the library's governing board and, if not satisfied there, beyond.

If the ungodly choses to spread their filth, it is out of my control. They do that already in this library with the libraries approval. I, however, have a commision from the King of Kings to spread His truth wherever I go. That is my concern. </font>[/QUOTE]As a Christian, you also have an obligation to honor the rules or work to change them. The Bible says God put authorities in power, and to honor them. By breaking the rules, you damage your witness. </font>[/QUOTE]Are you opposed to illegally smuggling bibles into closed (by the lawful authority) Countries?

How about preaching when the governing authority says that it is illegal?

 

[go2church]

Sticking flyers into public library books WITHOUT permission is wrong. This is not a grey area! That you would point to the wrongness of someone else to justify what you're doing tells me that you somehow think you're above the rules that everyone else has to follow.

Your passion is admired, but if you choose to break the rules, you must be prepared to suffer the consequences, without whining about it and telling us how bad the things others are doing.

 

[Jeffrey H]

In regards to the OP, you really need to respect public property and not "litter" the library without their permission. Your motives are right-hearted, but wrong-headed.

Get permission to display your literature in the "free area" if they have it. If they don't allow it, well...that's another issue.

 

[lifeandliberty]

Originally posted by go2church:
Sticking flyers into public library books WITHOUT permission is wrong. This is not a grey area! That you would point to the wrongness of someone else to justify what you're doing tells me that you somehow think you're above the rules that everyone else has to follow.

Your passion is admired, but if you choose to break the rules, you must be prepared to suffer the consequences, without whining about it and telling us how bad the things others are doing.

And the answer to my questions is.....?

 

[guitarpreacher]

[/qb][/QUOTE]Are you opposed to illegally smuggling bibles into closed (by the lawful authority) Countries?

How about preaching when the governing authority says that it is illegal? [/QB][/QUOTE]

No one is saying you can't witness to abortion providers or homosexuals. What they said is that you can't go into the library and solicite. I assume the rule applies to everyone and is applied consistantely. Sneaking around and hiding tracs in books could very well do more harm than good.

 

[guitarpreacher]

But to answer you question directly, when they tell me I can't give away Bibles, I will give them away still. When they tell me I can't preach, I guess I'll be preaching from jail. When they tell me I can't stick tracs in books in the library, I honor their wishes.

 

[Aaron]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
IMO, the kind of tactics you describe, granny, equate to child abuse.

How on God's green earth do you get child abuse from what was described?

 

[GrannyGumbo]

Thank you, broAaron. God bless you.

 

[GrannyGumbo]

But I'll tell you what IS child abuse...and that is putting a child in the ungodly antiChrist government public school system!

 

[Frogman]

Granny,
I am inclined to agree with you, but I would rather ask a question.

Why is this 'putting a child in the ungodly antiChrist government public school system' child abuse?

Please, don't get me wrong, I work in the public school system now as a substitute teacher and Lord willing will soon be certified to teach. So, if this government public school system is the antiChrist, why is that true?

What do we do about all those other ungodly institutions.

We ought to always pray for all men everywhere and not to be so quick to call them names. There are many good sound teachers who care about the students they face everyday. Are school policies restrictive? Sure, but it is not the fault of those who are really trying to educate the children whose sometimes 'ungodly' parents are just thankful to have a place to send them out of their way.

You see, once we start calling names, we could go on forever and never stop.

I am going to leave your post, but anymore posts like this from anyone and I will delete it without warning.

Bro. Dallas
(frogman-comoderator)

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Originally posted by Aaron:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
IMO, the kind of tactics you describe, granny, equate to child abuse.

How on God's green earth do you get child abuse from what was described? </font>[/QUOTE]Aaron, if it is not abundantly clear to you, that is truly sad.

 

[go2church]

The answer to your question is quit sticking stuff in the books or lose your library card. Pretty simple

 

[Thankful]

Thank you, Frogman.

I am very appreciative of the wonderful Christian Men and Women who teach in our public schools and since this is a thread about a library. I am also appreciative of the Christan Librarians. The Library has always been one of my favorite places and I can appreciate them because when I was a child, we just had a bookmobile that would come to the school about once a month, but to me as a child, it seemed as if forever between visits.

I love books.

 

[Aaron]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Aaron:
How on God's green earth do you get child abuse from what was described?

Aaron, if it is not abundantly clear to you, that is truly sad. </font>[/QUOTE]Oh no you don't. If you can't make it clear, then you're just leveling a railing accusation, something that Michael didn't do even against Satan.

Your little tactic is how the Communists justify their kidnapping of Christian children.

So tell us, how has what Granny described child abuse? Is it more abusive than letting them watch Will & Grace?

 

[webdog]

Originally posted by Aaron:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Aaron:
How on God's green earth do you get child abuse from what was described?

Aaron, if it is not abundantly clear to you, that is truly sad. </font>[/QUOTE]Oh no you don't. If you can't make it clear, then you're just leveling a railing accusation, something that Michael didn't do even against Satan.

Your little tactic is how the Communists justify their kidnapping of Christian children.

So tell us, how has what Granny described child abuse? Is it more abusive than letting them watch Will & Grace? </font>[/QUOTE]Granny said:

When we take the abortion/murder pictures out, I hold baby Malachi. He preaches! My young grandsons who stand beside me are not afraid to hold a sign that says Sodomite Sin is Filthy. I hold one that says Did God Burn the Sodomy or the Sodomite. We also hold signs that have salvation scripture.

We are constantly harassed by the police wherever we go and my pastor has been arrested a time or two for preaching. I've been shoved and threatened.

Her "young grandson's" are included in the "we" in:
1. Taking out pictures of abortion/aborted fetuses
2. They know, at a "young" age what sodomy, and the homosexual lifestyle.
3. Her "young" grandkids being subject to harrassement from police, and witnessing their "granny" being shoved and threatened.
4. Her "young" grandkids having parents that allow them to go with her and partake in this!

You see nothing wrong with that?

 

[Dina]

Definitions of Child Abuse and Neglect
State Statutes Series 2005
Author(s): National Clearinghouse on Child Abuse and Neglect Information
Year Published: 2005

http://nccanch.acf.hhs.gov/general/legal/statutes/define.cfm

I looked ALL over that page, and have yet to see where it says "putting a child in the ungodly antiChrist government public school system is child abuse"

Perhaps I keep missing where is states that.