Originally posted by mickd7:
Phillip: Some of what you say is true and much is something you know nothing about. I have been a part of Pentacostal churches such as the Assemblies of God and the Church of God and just like any denomination there are churches that are wild and wooley and some that are right on, but all the ones I have attended loved the Lord as much as Baptist or maybe even more because the Holy Spirit helps them to be filled with love for him.
I have visited MANY Pentacostal (sic) churches. My pastor is an ex-Pentecostal and he can clue you in on the "insides", along with several friends of mine who ARE Pentecostal BIG SHOTS who tell an interesting story.
Wild and wooley is not the problem, although maybe I should not have used those particular complaints. The complaints are doctrinal issues such as lack of eternal salvation and Holy Spirit Baptism as shown by speaking in tongues.
These doctrines do NOT belong in a Baptist church, but watch, they are coming, whether we like it or not.
Sure there is some rock music in the churches but just last week Jerry Falwell, on his tv program, said that he goes to places where rock gospel music is played, and he plugs up his ears and cant stand it, but the young people are touched by it , and if that is the case then Praise God for it. I agree with him , I cant stand the new contemporary gospel music and I like the old standard hymns, but I am a oldie now, and young people have their new likes, but if it glorifies God then praise God.
Rock music is NOT the problem. Maybe I should not have even mentioned it, but it is so often used by Pentecostalism to bring up the "emotion" level that people often mistake for the Holy Spirit. I know all about the rock music, I own a contemporary Christian Radio Station and I can also tell you that just because the young people (I'm 47, so I'm very OLD.) like it does not make it right.
You go to a Christian Rock concert and you tell me those kids are worshipping God....then you haven't been to many of the HEAVY Christian Rock concerts. They are nothing more than secular rock and roll that has the name "Christian" attached to it as a marketing scheme to tell parents (such as yourself?) that it is okay for their kids to go.
We're not talking Amy Grant here, we're talking about ROCK and METAL. I have been involved with radio stations (mostly secular) since I was in high-school and I can tell you one thing for certain, Christian ROCK today is motivated by one thing and it AIN'T God. It is the god of the record producers called MONEY and CD SALES!
Yes, you are right, the young people are touched by it, right in the pocket-books. I've seen it, I've been in it and I know how it works. Christian music scene today is more secular and cut-throat than the 1970's top 40 we used to play.
The Pentacostals are far from perfect just as the Baptist are far from perfect, and the Baptist can and have learned from the Pentacostal bunch such as the contemporary music, praise and worship etc and even have full orchresters in churches and wow that is awesome, for music is something God uses to touch the hearts of people. Always has and always will.
No joke the Pentacostals (sic) (are you sure you were one?) are far from perfect. They preach different doctrines. Contemporary praise and Worship is not the issue either. I did audio for 7 years for a big First Baptist Church that has a full orchestra, praise teams, television broadcasts, etc. I never said there was anything wrong with that.
My point is, maybe Pentecostals are not perfect, either way, why should Baptist churches bring in their incorrect doctrines?
You are to narrow minded my friend and you need to liten up about other Christians and accept what is good for you and pass on things that arent and let others do the same and let God judge, if u know what I mean.
I may be narrow minded, but so was Paul. Have you read his Epistles and noticed how he jumped on churches bringing in doctrines from outside?
I am NOT complaining about what Pentecostals want to do in their churches, personally, I do care, because I love the people, BUT, don't EVER tell me that I cannot speak up about bringing false doctrine into my Baptist Church. Or that I cannot speak about a Baptist church that accepts false doctrines.
Why don't we go ahead and invite the Mormon's to our Sunday Morning worship to speak, after all they talk about Jesus, too? Let's accept the good that they say and ignore that which we don't believe and let God judge us for bringing hearesy into our church.
I am a little surprised at the baptistboard for accepting what is called "Bapticostal" in the Baptist only area, maybe I should start a "Baptorman" and discuss the "golden plates" in the Translations area?
People had better wake up and realize that accepting any doctrine that has the name "Jesus" attached to it is NOT what the Bible tells us to do?
[ November 06, 2004, 04:56 PM: Message edited by: Phillip ]
