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Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us

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SovereignGrace

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Craigbythesea said:
Clarke had a gift for recognizing truth wherever he found it. In his commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, he quotes at length (23 pages) Dr. John Taylor’s “A Key to the Apostolic Writings; or, an Essay to explain the Gospel Scheme, and the principle words and phrases which the apostles have used in describing it.” Clarke is perhaps best known today for his insightful comments on Romans 7:14-25, especially these words,

It is difficult to conceive how the opinion could have crept into the Church, or prevailed there, that “the apostle speaks here of his regenerate state; and that what was, in such a state, true of himself, must be true of all others in the same state.” This opinion has, most pitifully and most shamefully, not only lowered the standard of Christianity, but destroyed its influence and disgraced its character. It requires but little knowledge of the spirit of the Gospel, and of the scope of this epistle, to see that the apostle is, here, either personating a Jew under the law and without the Gospel, or showing what his own state was when he was deeply convinced that by the deeds of the law no man could be justified, and had not as yet heard those blessed words: Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way, hath sent me that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost, Act_9:17.

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I don’t think Paul was speaking of himself here of being unsaved, but a man, though saved, still struggled with sin.


This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.[1 Timothy 1:15]

He wrote in the presence tense, not past tense.
 
Craigbythesea

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SovereignGrace said:
I don’t think Paul was speaking of himself here of being unsaved, but a man, though saved, still struggled with sin.


This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.[1 Timothy 1:15]

He wrote in the presence tense, not past tense.
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The man in Romans 7:14-25 is trying with all his might to keep the Law. That is NOT something that Christians do—it is something that Jews do. In this passage, Paul is using the literary device known as “speech in character,” and the character in Romans 7:14-25 is an unregenerate but devout Jew struggling with all his might to keep the Law, but miserably failing to do so because he lacks the help of the Holy Spirit!



Now—back to Peter.
 
SovereignGrace

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Craigbythesea said:
The man in Romans 7:14-25 is trying with all his might to keep the Law. That is NOT something that Christians do—it is something that Jews do. In this passage, Paul is using the literary device known as “speech in character,” and the character in Romans 7:14-25 is an unregenerate but devout Jew struggling with all his might to keep the Law, but miserably failing to do so because he lacks the help of the Holy Spirit!



Now—back to Peter.
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We are not saved by keeping the law, I heartily agree. We are saved by keeping the law, but we are saved to law keeping.
 
David Lamb

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SovereignGrace said:
We are not saved by keeping the law, I heartily agree. We are saved by keeping the law, but we are saved to law keeping.
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Is there a typo in your post, or have I misunderstood it? Your first sentence states: "We are not saved by keeping the law." Your third sentence begins: "We are saved by keeping the law....." :confused: In view of your user name, I can't really believe that you think that anybody is saved by keeping the law.
 
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David Lamb said:
Is there a typo in your post, or have I misunderstood it? Your first sentence states: "We are not saved by keeping the law." Your third sentence begins: "We are saved by keeping the law....." :confused: In view of your user name, I can't really believe that you think that anybody is saved by keeping the law.
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Oops! We are NOT saved by law keeping. My faux pas.
 
Alan Dale Gross

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Baptizo said:
I'd like to give my understanding of these verses and will be open to other possible interpretations.

1 Peter 3:15-22 - But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Peter is using water baptism as a type of Noah's Ark. He tells us that the physical water does absolutely nothing to our bodies but it does have a significant connection to the resurrection. Since Noah's Ark was the instrument that saved Noah and his family from the flood, water baptism is the instrument that saves us from having a guilty conscience. It can't be the instrument of our salvation because Peter says Christ once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust and that brings us to God. By imitating Christ in our own death, burial, and resurrection in the water, this will give us the good conscience towards God that we need to equip us to defend our faith and be ready to give an answer to those who would speak evil of us.
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Baptizo said:
I'd like to give my understanding of these verses
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You're understanding is Spot On, On-Point, Nailed It, Right On! :Rolleyes:Thumbsup:Inlove

Very good, Baptizo.

I'm confident we can say, with Jesus,
"...flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee,
but My Father which is in Heaven."
Matthew 16:17b.
 
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