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Originally posted by Roy1:
But that is down to them to decide. If we baptized in rivers, streams, lakes or seas, instead of heated pools, some may want to hold off until it is warmer.![]()
Another thought would be if you or I had to prepare Fill – empty, heat, each pool depending on the individual Church, that may dampen our anger at every three months or so.![]()
I agree!Originally posted by Roy1:
To cut it short, baptize as soon as the individual understands what is taking place. If that is the same hour, day, week, month, year, let us do it.
I agree!Originally posted by Lorelei:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Roy1:
To cut it short, baptize as soon as the individual understands what is taking place. If that is the same hour, day, week, month, year, let us do it.
I agree!Originally posted by Artimaeus:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Lorelei:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Roy1:
To cut it short, baptize as soon as the individual understands what is taking place. If that is the same hour, day, week, month, year, let us do it.
Artimaeus, Look at my post I did not say that it was reasonable to wait so long. But I am willing to wait rather than cut someone off for not understanding baptism. Another question may be how long did the Lord labour and wait until you trusted in Him? But you expect everyone to understand this matter of baptism instantly!!! Come on show some Grace.Lorelei, I agree with your entire post, so why did you agree with Roy1 when he says that it is reasonable for the person to take a year to understand baptism? If a person can understand salvation then baptism should not take more than a very few minutes. Anyone refusing or hessitant is NOT showing obedience and is actually showing marked rebellion and I would have serious doubts about their commitment to Christ.
Roy1, Baptism is not a deep theoplogical concept requiring a course of study. I am talking about people who understand the concept of salvation, they understand that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. They have repented and received Him as their Lord and Saviour. They acknowledge Him as the Lord of their life and then the first thing He asks them to do (get Baptized) they balk at.Originally posted by Roy1:
But you expect everyone to understand this matter of baptism instantly!!! Come on show some Grace.
By "marked", I mean noticeable, clearcut, and undebateable, not necessarily mean or strong emotion. Someone is saying, in effect, "Jesus is Lord of my life but,l I will not do what He says." Do we do the same thing with church attendance? Do we give them a few months to decide whether reading the Bible and praying is the right thing to do? Of course not, we teach them the truth and tell them NOW is the time to begin doing these things“Marked rebellion,” is a strange phrase to use of a new born babe!!
Patience with a rare unusual case is one thing but, making it the policy is another. Baptism is not exactly a foreign concept is our culture and if the foundation of salvation has already taken place then this first act of obedience is quite simple.Some measure of compassion, grace and patience is needed. ONCE again, baptism in the N.T was familiar, it was common, and the background work was done.
Actually, I don't remember for sure, I think it was somewhere between a few weeks and a few months.May I ask how long were you saved before you were baptised?
That was over 30 years ago, but, I am pretty sure I wasn't perfect instantly.I then take it you were practically perfect instantly? You understood all and were obedient to all.
You had to discover it for yourself because no one was there to teach you the truth, as soon as you learned the truth, you obeyed. I thought the purpose of this discussion was on what the Pastors, or leaders of the church should do not, on what the "babe" should do. How long (after someone is saved) should baptism take place? Aside from minor logistics (preparing the pool, asking friends and relatives if you like) there is no need for nor wisdom in delay.I had to see it for myself in the scripture, then I went out and was baptised leaving this church behind.