Baptism Rome vs Protestant

[Christforums]

as that would be saved by Grace alone received thru faith alone

That's what the author conveyed through the sacrament of baptism (grace) while not contradicting sola fide. I'll yield back from this thread, I can tell when anything said doesn't become fruitful, that is, when people dig their heels in and become argumentative no matter what is said for the sake of argument. What this comes down to is whether only the similarities of baptismal regeneration are comprehended or the distinctions and differences. Baptist generally speaking only see infants baptized and declare paedo baptism. On the topic of Baptism, the Protestant view including that of Lutherans is best understood through the lens of Covenant theology. The "what and why" and not necessarily "how," in which many either confer the works of the baptizer and the baptized or monergism. To the say the least, at least some here now see under the generalization of paedo baptism difference in theology are behind baptizing infants.

And likewise, on the topic of Baptism I am one to suggest Reformed recognized it was correct to baptize infants through the theological lens of Covenant theology, but not for the same reason the RCC does. In other words the act was correct but for all intents and purposes was wrong.

 

[JesusFan]

That's what the author conveyed through the sacrament of baptism (grace) while not contradicting sola fide. I'll yield back from this thread, I can tell when anything said doesn't become fruitful, that is, when people dig their heels in and become argumentative no matter what is said for the sake of argument. What this comes down to is whether only the similarities of baptismal regeneration are comprehended or the distinctions and differences. Baptist generally speaking only see infants baptized and declare paedo baptism. On the topic of Baptism, the Protestant view including that of Lutherans is best understood through the lens of Covenant theology. The "what and why" and not necessarily "how," in which many either confer the works of the baptizer and the baptized or monergism. To the say the least, at least some here now see under the generalization of paedo baptism difference in theology are behind baptizing infants.

And likewise, on the topic of Baptism I am one to suggest Reformed recognized it was correct to baptize infants through the theological lens of Covenant theology, but not for the same reason the RCC does. In other words the act was correct but for all intents and purposes was wrong.

What is confusing to we Baptist in how others view the works of Water Baptism is when we read things such as its the "entry way/door" into the Kingdom, and when some state that it conveys some sort of spiritual benefit/blessing to those babes that partake of it.

 

[Christforums]

What is confusing to we Baptist in how others view the works of Water Baptism is when we read things such as its the "entry way/door" into the Kingdom, and when some state that it conveys some sort of spiritual benefit/blessing to those babes that partake of it.

If you're speaking on behalf of Baptist, then I won't address the lack of theological understanding. If you took time to address your own statement as if by somebody else, I'm sure you'd come up with a response, hopefully from Scripture.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The EXACT same thing that a "circumcised" baby received under the Old Covenant. As Paul warns, one is not a Jew who is circumcised outwardly only, but rather, one must be a Jew inwardly ... choosing to DO as God SAYS. However, a circumcised child (not an infant, but a youth), knows that his parents were under the Covenant of God and believed enough to step out in obedience with faith that the circumcision of their child would one day produce a harvest of righteousness. As a circumcised Jewish infant, you had a tangible promise that you were part of the community and marked out - reserved and called - to choose to be part of the People of God. It did not become REAL, until you became a man and CHOSE for yourself to honor God. However you grew from infancy with the knowledge of the promise and expectation of its fulfillment.

The baptized infant of Christian Parents carries the same knowledge of the belief and promise of God to their parents ... the expectation that "this promise is for you and your children and all who are far off" is something that your parents fully expect includes YOU (and acted on that belief).

They may be 100% wrong, but that is still the benefit.

[I say this as someone that grew up under the generational curse that: ... "God helps those that help themselves." and "Religion is the opiate of the masses" and "when you die, you don't even leave a hole to prove that you were here" ... that was my family legacy.]

That my brother is a sad commentary and lack of parenting skills necessary to raise a child up properly. I say that because I fervently believe that parents have an obligation to provide at least some type of religious training and in years of questioning and discussion, allow the child freedom to express themselves followed by making educated choices. I’m glad to see that you appear well adjusted in your adult life despite your family legacy. God bless.

 

[Christforums]

That my brother is a sad commentary and lack of parenting skills necessary to raise a child up properly. I say that because I fervently believe that parents have an obligation to provide at least some type of religious training and in years of questioning and discussion, allow the child freedom to express themselves followed by making educated choices. I’m glad to see that you appear well adjusted in your adult life despite your family legacy. God bless.

Every covenant has a sign, seal, and mark throughout Scripture. The seal has never pointed to the flesh of mankind (even circumcision pointed back to the faith of Abraham and his justification) but to the promises of G-d. The seal is like any University or Seminary diploma which guarantees the student in question. The Seal points to G-d, and His promises, promises only G-d can keep, and not by the creed or testimony alone of the baptizer (institution) or baptized. Sanctification is a lifelong process, which differs than justification but not unlike it in that trust and confidence are necessary throughout our lives in faith. Some believe in University or Seminary seals... . or higher academia (intellectualism) and that's the wrong object of faith (the approval of man).

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Every covenant has a sign, seal, and mark throughout Scripture. The seal has never pointed to the flesh of mankind (even circumcision pointed back to the faith of Abraham and his justification) but to the promises of G-d. The seal is like any University or Seminary diploma which guarantees the student in question. The Seal points to G-d, and His promises, promises only G-d can keep, and not by the creed or testimony alone of the baptizer (institution) or baptized. Sanctification is a lifelong process, which differs than justification but not unlike it in that trust and confidence are necessary throughout our lives in faith. Some believe in University or Seminary seals... . or higher academia (intellectualism) and that's the wrong object of faith (the approval of man).

I totally agree. There has to be more.

 

[JesusFan]

Every covenant has a sign, seal, and mark throughout Scripture. The seal has never pointed to the flesh of mankind (even circumcision pointed back to the faith of Abraham and his justification) but to the promises of G-d. The seal is like any University or Seminary diploma which guarantees the student in question. The Seal points to G-d, and His promises, promises only G-d can keep, and not by the creed or testimony alone of the baptizer (institution) or baptized. Sanctification is a lifelong process, which differs than justification but not unlike it in that trust and confidence are necessary throughout our lives in faith. Some believe in University or Seminary seals... . or higher academia (intellectualism) and that's the wrong object of faith (the approval of man).

Per the scriptures though, there is no spiritual blessing or added merit attached to us when we partake of any so called sacraments, as they do point us to the Triune God, who confers those blessings, but apart from the sacraments