I know that the Didache mentions it
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Baptisms invalid
- Thread starter Marooncat79
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Yes, but do know at one time Rome held to unbaptized babies dies who died all went to Limbo, do they still believe that?
The formula used by Jesus in mat threw Gospel was the norm
Don’t get on his case too hard, a lot of evangelicals on this board are just as shallow and hasty with condemning to the the eternal flame.
No, the Catholic Church NEVER held to unbaptized babies 'went to Limbo'. It was only a theory. It was never an official teaching of the Church
Limbo was only a theory at one time. Never a teaching of the Church. And, no, these people are not condemned because of a priests misspeaking the correct baptismal formula. The Church has always accepted 'baptism of Desire'. The early Christians during the persecutions were often converted in jails. Jails did not have 'baptismal' fonts and many Christians went to their deaths without being baptized. The Church has always taught that 'baptism of desire' is just as valid.
No, these people are not condemned because of a priest misspeaking the correct baptismal formula. The Church has always accepted 'baptism of Desire'. The early Christians during the persecutions were often converted in jails. Jails did not have 'baptismal' fonts and many Christians went to their deaths without being baptized. The Church has always taught that 'baptism of desire' is just as valid.
atpollard
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Thank you for the clarification on those that died in ignorance.
Does Baptism of Desire apply to a baby that was baptized, later informed that their baptism was invalid, and never bothered to be rebaptized? (Are those still alive … living in mortal danger?)
The Phoenix diocese released this statement: “It is important to note that, while God instituted the sacraments for us, He is not bound by them. Though they are our surest access to grace, God can grant His grace in ways known only to Him. According to St. Thomas Aquinas, God has bound Himself to the sacraments, but He is not bound by the sacraments.”
ntchristian
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I've noticed that. Incredible, isn't it?
Reformed1689
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Which basically negates their doctrine overall on the matter as hogwash.
"This is the simplest way to put it: the power, effect, benefit, fruit, and purpose of baptism is that it saves. For no one is baptized in order to become a prince, but as the words say, ‘to be saved.’ To be saved, as everyone knows, is nothing else than to be delivered from sin, death and the devil, to enter into Christ’s kingdom, and to live with him forever." - Martin Luther, Large Catechism
Baptism is the normative means by which God brings people to newness of life (Romans 6:4). It means the old life and person has died in baptism and is made new, born again (John 3:5). This belief is based on all the baptism texts of Scripture, which say baptism "forgives sins" (Acts 2:38), "washes sin away" (Acts 22:16), "regenerates" (Titus 3:4-7), "buries, unites us to Christ, and frees us from sin" (Romans 6:1-10), was typified in the Israelites crossing the Red Sea (1 Corinthians 10:1-4) and saves us (1 Peter 3:21).
If you don't even believe baptism actually does that which Scripture says it does (above), then mocking people for messing up the words used to do it is entirely superfluous.
In other words, like the topic of women preachers, who cares? It's only an issue if there is something theologically deeper that most here don't even believe anyway.
Baptism is the normative means by which God brings people to newness of life (Romans 6:4). It means the old life and person has died in baptism and is made new, born again (John 3:5). This belief is based on all the baptism texts of Scripture, which say baptism "forgives sins" (Acts 2:38), "washes sin away" (Acts 22:16), "regenerates" (Titus 3:4-7), "buries, unites us to Christ, and frees us from sin" (Romans 6:1-10), was typified in the Israelites crossing the Red Sea (1 Corinthians 10:1-4) and saves us (1 Peter 3:21).
If you don't even believe baptism actually does that which Scripture says it does (above), then mocking people for messing up the words used to do it is entirely superfluous.
In other words, like the topic of women preachers, who cares? It's only an issue if there is something theologically deeper that most here don't even believe anyway.
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Link for that?
Oh...here it is: The Roman Catholic Diocese of Phoenix » How to Proceed if your Sacraments are in Question » FAQs
They said a lot more than that!
Such as:
"the use of 'we' in place of 'I'....means your baptism is invalid, and you are not baptized. You will need to be baptized"
Do I need to go to confession?
"No, but you do need to get your other sacraments resolved promptly. When you are baptized, your sins are forgiven and your soul is wiped clean!"
"only the baptized may receive the Eucharist. Please refrain from receiving Holy Communion until baptism, the first sacrament, has taken place"
"Baptism is a requirement for salvation....The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude"
"an invalid baptism...invalidates any subsequent sacraments, especially confirmation, marriage, and holy orders"
Does this affect my (or my child's) confirmation?
"Yes....if your baptism is invalid, your confirmation is invalid. At the time of your valid baptism, you will also receive confirmation; please contact your pastor to get this arranged.
Does this affect my marriage?
"Maybe! Unfortunately, there is no single clear answer. There are a number of variables when it comes to valid marriages, and the Tribunal is here to help. If you were married after being baptized by Fr. Andres, please contact the Tribunal"
Isn't that also used to justify how Muslims and Hinduis and others "religious" people who are sincere in their faith are seen as can be saved by Rome?
Rome still teaches sacramentalism salvation , as per Council of Trent
So was an nonofficial teaching by the clergy?
It doesnt matter they were not really Baptized regardless of what he said or didnt say. They do not understand what Baptism is.