Baptist - Catholic Talks Continue...

[CarpentersApprentice]

Now this is interesting. It seems that Baptists and Catholics are in a second round of talks. The first happened in the mid-80's and this current round started last year.

BAPTIST WORLD ALLIANCE, Baptist-Catholic talks continue
PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR THE PROMOTION OF CHRISTIAN UNITY, Catholic-Baptist Relations

The results of the 2006 meeting were pretty sparsly reported by the BWA:
Baptist-Catholic Talks held in December
Baptists and Catholics end 2006 Conversation - look forward to 2007

Does anyone know if there is anything more, from a Baptist perspective, on the 2006 meeting?

What are your thoughts on the overall concept of Baptists and Catholics holding a formal dialogue?

What do you think should, could, or will be the short and long results of these meetings?

CA

 

[Agnus_Dei]

Now this is interesting. It seems that Baptists and Catholics are in a second round of talks. The first happened in the mid-80's and this current round started last year.

BAPTIST WORLD ALLIANCE, Baptist-Catholic talks continue
PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR THE PROMOTION OF CHRISTIAN UNITY, Catholic-Baptist Relations

The results of the 2006 meeting were pretty sparsly reported by the BWA:
Baptist-Catholic Talks held in December
Baptists and Catholics end 2006 Conversation - look forward to 2007

Does anyone know if there is anything more, from a Baptist perspective, on the 2006 meeting?

What are your thoughts on the overall concept of Baptists and Catholics holding a formal dialogue?

What do you think should, could, or will be the short and long results of these meetings?

CA

Blessings this Nativity Season CA

Can’t really speak of these meetings you have linked, but s I was journeying towards the banks of the Tiber, I remember reading somewhere where the Catholic Church, especially here in the US were engaged in talks with Evangelical Protestants. The Catholics were interested in how Protestants were drawing in large numbers of people and the Protestants were interested on how the Catholics were retaining their numbers.

It seems from what I read, that certain Protestants denominations were experiencing initial growth, but they were failing in retaining the growth. The Catholics were not experiencing the dynamic growth, but their numbers seemed steady. Therefore both were sharing their evangelical ideas.

As I was visiting Roman Catholic Churches, some were “traditional” and others seemed to have a “contemporary” style to it, drums and guitars. I guess they were trying to enter into the “entertainment” side of worship to draw in the people. I don’t know what the current Pope thinks of this.

Now, as an Orthodox Catechumen myself, the style of worship is unchanged. In the Byzantine community, I could be wrong in regard to the Western Rite, but I’m willing to make a bold statement that you’ll never walk into an Orthodox Byzantine Divine Liturgy, whether here in the US or Georgia for that matter and witness what you would in most Protestant Churches…ever…

ICXC NIKA
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[trustitl]

Baptist-Catholic talks

I am neither Baptist nor Catholic so I speak as an "innocent bystander".

What are your thoughts on the overall concept of Baptists and Catholics holding a formal dialogue?

What do you think should, could, or will be the short and long results of these meetings?

The overall concept is good on paper but these types of formal talks rarely produce anything very meaningful for the average Joe or Joanne.

What should be the result? They should all repent and walk in the Spirit together.

What could be the result? Unlikely the above statement. More likely both sides walking away frustrated with the other :BangHead: side but returning home to "their" people and telling them how much progress they made :1_grouphug: and being thankful for another nice vacation. (Sorry for the cynicism).

What will be the result? Lord only knows.

I would encourage average Joe Baptists and average Joe Catholics to not look to their leaders but rather to the Spirit within to produce unity.

 

[Jillian]

What are your thoughts on the overall concept of Baptists and Catholics holding a formal dialogue?

I posted about this on the GENERAL SECTION.

I am heartbroken and digusted all at the same time, but then I think it wasnt like God didnt warn of us in His Word of the great falling away.

I am an ex-Catholic who knows that Rome teaches another gospel.


I wonder about Baptists who support this, they must either not know very much about Catholicism {the RCC will use evangelical words but with totally different meanings} and how the Catholic Mass is a total affront to God, or lack total bliblical discernment.

what kind of Baptist desires unity under the Pope instead of unity in Jesus Christ?

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1143414&posted=1#post1143414

 

[hillclimber1]

When one mixes unsound doctrine with unsound doctrine, what should the outcome be? Not good, by any measure.

 

[Melanie]

When one mixes unsound doctrine with unsound doctrine, what should the outcome be? Not good, by any measure.

............oh yes what is the Pope thinking of:thumbs:

 

[Eliyahu]

I posted about this on the GENERAL SECTION.

I am heartbroken and digusted all at the same time, but then I think it wasnt like God didnt warn of us in His Word of the great falling away.

I am an ex-Catholic who knows that Rome teaches another gospel.


I wonder about Baptists who support this, they must either not know very much about Catholicism {the RCC will use evangelical words but with totally different meanings} and how the Catholic Mass is a total affront to God, or lack total bliblical discernment.

what kind of Baptist desires unity under the Pope instead of unity in Jesus Christ?

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1143414&posted=1#post1143414

I don't know how many percentage of Baptists will join RCC, but there are already many Catholic Baptists inside Baptist churches. They do not know how RCC persecuted Baptists. The situation with Presbyterian is much worse. Eventually, I expect, RCC will succeed in uniting all the religions of the world, including Islam and Buddhism.
Only some independent Baptists, Brethren, some other independant churchs, etc. will remain hardheaded and fundamental.
I agree with your concern. May God bless you in Jesus Christ.

 

[Zenas]

What are your thoughts on the overall concept of Baptists and Catholics holding a formal dialogue?

What do you think should, could, or will be the short and long results of these meetings?

There is nothing new here. Denominations have this kind of dialog all the time and little ever comes of it. Representatives of each group meet together many times over a period years, most often in nice hotels in exotic locations, and discuss their differences. They usually develop strong bonds of friendship with one another. When there is nothing left to talk about, they will come out with some kind of joint statement that talks about where they agree and where they disagree. Most of these statements make interesting reading but are of little real value. Here is a link to a statement by the Southern Baptists and the Roman Catholics that came out in 1989. http://www.usccb.org/seia/sbrctounderstandeachother1989.shtml

 

[skypair]

It seems from what I read, that certain Protestants denominations were experiencing initial growth, but they were failing in retaining the growth. The Catholics were not experiencing the dynamic growth, but their numbers seemed steady. Therefore both were sharing their evangelical ideas.

Through the eyes of an outsider, I have witnessed Catholics getting a lot more "evangelical," for sure! There are new "apologetic" books and tapes defending Catholic doctrine and theology being shared by Catholic friends reaching out to "born agains" like me.

Their main thrust is the fragmentation of the Protestant church and the "purity" of their apostolic succession and magesterium (teaching). I was getting bombarded by such a few months ago. And I know one friend who succumbed, I believe, to a similar "missionary." There is no doubt in my mind that evangelicals who are left behind will be drawn into the RCC.

Gary Wills is an interesting commentator on the Catholic Church and it's problems.

skypair

 

[Matt Black]

As I was visiting Roman Catholic Churches, some were “traditional” and others seemed to have a “contemporary” style to it, drums and guitars. I guess they were trying to enter into the “entertainment” side of worship to draw in the people. I don’t know what the current Pope thinks of this.

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I don't think he exactly approves - on the contrary he seems to be encouraging a revival of the Latin Mass. That'll please B-G at least, I hope!

 

[webdog]

............oh yes what is the Pope thinking of:thumbs:

...a one world religion opening up their arms for the antichrist.

 

[CarpentersApprentice]

... I would encourage average Joe Baptists and average Joe Catholics to not look to their leaders but rather to the Spirit within to produce unity.

Concerning your last statement. Do you think that the "Spirit produced" unity of the first century was visible?

In particular, do you think that in the first century there would have been 10 churches in the same town - all true representatives of the Christian faith - but having no visible link to one another?

(I'm not trying to be argumentative. Just wondering if you could expand on this idea of spiritual unity and how that actually worked in the 1st century and today.)

Anyone else who would like to comment, please feel free to do so.

CA

 

[CarpentersApprentice]

...a one world religion opening up their arms for the antichrist.

How are we to balance this concern with the fact that Jesus called for unity?

CA

 

[Melanie]

I don't think he exactly approves - on the contrary he seems to be encouraging a revival of the Latin Mass. That'll please B-G at least, I hope!

...I think Pope Benedict is in need of the prayers of the Church for there are so many divisions and factions, but yes the recent motu properio about the Tridentine Mass was received with great joyfulness and thanksgiving by the folk who adhere to Tradition.

 

[webdog]

How are we to balance this concern with the fact that Jesus called for unity?

CA

We are called to be in unity with those saved by grace through faith, which the catholic church rejects.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

How are we to balance this concern with the fact that Jesus called for unity?

CA

Jesus also told us to kick the dust off our shoes, when leaving those who won't hear the truth.

 

[Agnus_Dei]

Jesus also told us to kick the dust off our shoes, when leaving those who won't hear the truth.

The truth according to whom?

ICXC NIKA
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[Jillian]

...a one world religion opening up their arms for the antichrist.

Yes.

Every month just about they have a one world religion pow-wow. This is one of the latest.

This was being held in Naples, Italy, bringing more then 300 leaders of world religions together.

Yesterday they did their universalist prayer-a-thon...

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TUESDAY 23 oCtobEr 2007

Final day of the International Meeting. During the morning the panels deal with various themes. Available texts and images are published on the wesite. At 5:30 pm the prayers of the different religious traditions will begin. From 7:00 pm the Final Ceremony in Piazza del Plebiscito and the proclamation of the PEACE APPEAL​

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Cardinal Proposes Road Map for Peace

Calls Religiously-Motivated Violence a Profanation

NAPLES, Italy, OCT. 23, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran told leaders representing world religions that the rejection of violence and the promotion of peace is the road map for interreligious dialogue.

The president of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue explained his proposal Monday in Naples at the round-table discussion "Religions in Dialogue for a World Without Violence." The cardinal was participating in the 21st International Encounter of Peoples and Religions, organized by the Catholic lay Sant'Egidio Community and the Archdiocese of Naples. The encounter ends today.

Cardinal Tauran said, "We have our road map that we have to follow: to make for religions a name of peace. Terrorism covers its followers with shame. All violence justified in the name of faith is a profanation of the name of God."

Noting that some factions are still committing crimes that appeared to be disappearing after World War II -- ethnic cleansing, concentration camps -- the cardinal reflected that there is still hope, reflected in "an army of men and women who believe in peace and raise their hands toward heaven."

"They do this because they are convinced that the situations of violence can be overcome when they are contrasted with goodness," he added.

According to the cardinal, who for many years was secretary for Vatican relations with states, "dialogue is for all a pilgrimage and a risk. With dialogue, as a matter of fact, I place myself in a position to listen to different situations and risk myself before the questions of others."​

 

[Jillian]

Jesus Christ is never preached at these shindigs...but PEACE {READ YOUR BIBLES FOLKS} instead of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Jillian]

How are we to balance this concern with the fact that Jesus called for unity?

CA

This is not the unity Jesus spoke of.

Unity being united with other Christians who are truly born again.

Not a Pope teaches ANOTHER gospel.