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And look at the evil he did and the influence he had on thousands of young preachers who have fallen for the same false teaching of that man.Originally posted by Comrade:
I respect your opinion, but Dr. Jack Hyles was a pastor at 19 and went on to pastor the largest church in the world at 21.
not true, but even if it was, do you not acknowlege the need for a missionary in my workplace? Do you not acknowledge the fact that 90% of the programs and ministries of my church are operated under the direction of the leaders by lay people? Why do you think that only those who are "full-time" whatever that is, are in ministry. My real Bible College education qualified me and prepared me for ministry, but it also prepared me for life, including a secular job since that has been God's plan for my life. I would appreciate it if you would not discount the value of Bible college educated church members who do the real work of the ministry. No one will despise your youth, but they will despise your immmaturity and your foolishness. Just as they do when an older person exhibits those traits.There are currently 50,000 Bible college students. 98% of those go into secular jobs.
Well, actually Hyles didn't get to FBCH until 1959. Since he was born in 1926 I believe- this would make him 32-33 when he became pastor there.Originally posted by Comrade:
I respect your opinion, but Dr. Jack Hyles was a pastor at 19 and went on to pastor the largest church in the world at 21. I think God is looking for people to just put their hand to the plow and do the work.
And the primary way he has done that IMO, is by the ministries of solid Bible Colleges that prepare them for ministry. Most churches (broad generalization) do not provide the in depth biblical or ministry training that is needed to make one more effective on any field, foreign or domestic.God doesn't call the qualified, He qualifies the called.
This is likely true, it would be more effective for a missionary to stick to more foundational Bible training, and get their missions training from either short term, internship style engagements, or by working under a veteran missionary.Personally, I see a "Missions Major" as an obsolete program in the modern college program of instruction.
This is likely true, it would be more effective for a missionary to stick to more foundational Bible training, and get their missions training from either short term, internship style engagements, or by working under a veteran missionary. </font>[/QUOTE]My college's (Williams Baptist College) missions program is a Christian Ministry degree "sub-major." Missions majors at my school have the same foundational Bible and ministerial training as the other ministry majors, but they are required to take an extra class studying missions (with an emphasis on Southern Baptist missions) and to complete missions experiences with professorial oversight and review. Could something like this resolve the issue?Originally posted by superdave:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Personally, I see a "Missions Major" as an obsolete program in the modern college program of instruction.
This college teaches the Biblical theology and all the Bible classes and Homeletics and so on. The most important part of the entire college is that most Bible college students before they get out of Bible college don't have a disiple. That is key part in missions especially if you look at the way Jesus had His ministry. He never built a church. I urge you to look at the work of Missionary Austin Gardner. I believe he has done more to change the face of missions than anyone in this generation.Originally posted by PackerBacker:
Thought I’d throw in a missionary’s thoughts on this subject.
While I see argument against traditional missions training at Bible college, I’m not convinced of the legitimacy of the alternate being given. 100 preached sermons are hardly the answer, unless public speaking skills are all that is viewed as important. What if the theology and philosophy behind those 100 sermons has deficiencies? Isn’t possible to preach 100 sermons and to learn nothing new? Let’s face it that many only preach on topics they already view they know or on issues of great importance to them. It’s not hard to find 100 words, phrases, or verses to use as a springboard into the familiar topics.