Baptist distinctives and other denominations

[Steadfast Fred]

The "Dispensations" are

1. THE EDENIC.

2. THE ANTE-DILUVIAN.

3. THE POST-DILUVIAN.

4. THE PATRIARCHAL.

5. THE LEGAL.

6. THE ECCLESIASTICAL.

7. THE MESSIANIC.

8. THE DISPENSATION OF THE "FULNESS OF TIMES."

 

[The Biblicist]

Don't start on me again, Fred.

It's quite evident that you are an instigator; you like to stir up strife and keep it stirred. That does not come from God.

Dispensationalism is not a Bible truth.

It can be seen that I have tried to develop a peaceful relationship with you and to discuss things with you in a civil and meaningful way.

I'll not continue to do that. From this point on, I won't respond to you; I'll have nothing to do with you. From now on, you don't exist; you are of no consequence. So, say what you will to your heart's content. You will reap what you sow.

This is a debate forum for pete's sake!!! Are you offended because you are challenged?!?! That is all Fred did! If that offends you, then you need to go someplace else where people don't challenge what you believe and they simply open their mouths and swallow everything you assert or deny.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

This is a debate forum for pete's sake!!! Are you offended because you are challenged?!?! That is all Fred did! If that offends you, then you need to go someplace else where people don't challenge what you believe and they simply open their mouths and swallow everything you assert or deny.

Thank you Biblicist.

 

[WestminsterMan]

Our church is totally independent and autonomous. We are not "obligated" to fellowship with any church. And for all intents and purposes, we pretty much keep to ourselves. There is enough business in and around the local church to be concerned with than trying to strike up fellowship with other churches.

So much for the great commission...

WM

 

[WestminsterMan]

Not quite. To a period of time before I ever got to the field. A missionary must get enough financial support to go to the field before he goes.

Luke 9:3
New International Version (NIV)

3 He told them: “Take nothing for the journey—no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra shirt."

Hmmm...

WM

 

[The Biblicist]

So much for the great commission...

WM

Come on! You are not even dealing fairly with his statement in the context he made it! The Great commission is directed toward the ungospelized rather than a command to have fellowship parties between gospelized baptized congregations.

The very nature of a congregation "at Corinth" or "at New York" limits its fellowship to those within reasonable distance. It is hard for a congregation in New York to have any kind of practical fellowship with a congregation in Miami much less one located on a different continent or different country.

Besides the Great Commission restricts congregational fellowship to those of like faith and order in the same gospel, same baptism and same doctrine or "the faith" or "the doctrine" once delivered to them as all other "brethren" they are to separate themselves from (2 Thes. 3:6)

 

[DHK]

So much for the great commission...

WM

What is that snide remark supposed to mean. The Great Commission was originally left in the hands of eleven men. What did they do? They went and started church, which in turn went and started churches. There were no denominations. The apostle Paul went on three missionary journeys and established over 100 churches. I have been directly involved in missions for most of my Christian life now, directly involved in carrying out the Great Commission, going to nations with the gospel, nations that most people would shrink from. You have no idea what our church does for missions and how much it is involved in carrying out the Great Commission. Excuse me before you respond. I don't want to watch you take both feet out of your mouth. It could be ugly.

 

[DHK]

Luke 9:3
New International Version (NIV)

3 He told them: “Take nothing for the journey—no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra shirt."

Hmmm...

WM

He also said to those who are going to be his disciple:
"He that forsakes not all that he has cannot be my disciple."
Are you a disciple of Jesus, WM?

 

[Michael Wrenn]

This is a debate forum for pete's sake!!! Are you offended because you are challenged?!?! That is all Fred did! If that offends you, then you need to go someplace else where people don't challenge what you believe and they simply open their mouths and swallow everything you assert or deny.

The manner in which debate is done is what matters; also, whether a comment is truthful or lies and slander. You ought to know about that, as you have done that to me many times in the past, but we came to an understanding of sorts, as did Icon and I in PMs. I tried to do this with Fred, but he won't have it -- so be it.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

I do not lie or slander your character. I reject your doctrines concerning hell and the afterlife.

As any Christian should.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

All anyone needs to do to see that the preceding by Fred is not true is to read the forum. Comparing me with Satan and denying my salvation are two examples.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

I have not lied, nor have I slandered.

All that I have attested concerning MW's beliefs are attested by himself on his website... and in posts on this forum.

Slander is a false tale maliciously reported. Since what I have posted is true, I have not slandered at all.

 

[DHK]

Luke 9:3
New International Version (NIV)

3 He told them: “Take nothing for the journey—no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra shirt."

Hmmm...

WM

Do you practice what you preach?
Hmmmmm

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Calling someone apostate, a heretic, denying his salvation, and comparing him with Satan are personal attacks, lies, and slander.

So, since Fred has done all these things, his very post of denial is itself a lie.

 

[Moriah]

This is a debate forum for pete's sake!!! Are you offended because you are challenged?!?! That is all Fred did! If that offends you, then you need to go someplace else where people don't challenge what you believe and they simply open their mouths and swallow everything you assert or deny.

Do you really think he does not know this is a debate forum, and that he can go somewhere else if he wants? Who do you think you are to tell him that? Do you really think anyone believes Fred was just trying to challenge his beliefs and not be rude? Do you really think anyone believes you are trying to stand up for what is right and be a peacemaker?
I think you are the one who thinks we all will just simply open our mouths and swallow everything you assert or deny.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Calling someone apostate, a heretic, denying his salvation, and comparing him with Satan are personal attacks, lies, and slander.

So, since Fred has done all these things, his very post of denial is itself a lie.

The one that is calling people cowards, asses, jackasses, stooges is the one who is slandering. Have a mirror in the house?

 

[Moriah]

The one that is calling people cowards, asses, jackasses, stooges is the one who is slandering. But I bet you are going to berate him, are you?

Anyone with eyes can see he said those things after first being attacked.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Anyone with eyes can see he said those things after first being attacked.

His beliefs were attacked.

 

[Moriah]

His beliefs were attacked.

You attacked him personally.

 

[Fred's Wife]

Anyone with eyes can see he said those things after first being attacked.

For a person who is supposed to be a Christian, calling others names is no excuse. And he continues to do so.

His beliefs were challenged and he took offense and instead of coming against the reasons why those beliefs were being challenged, he resorted to ad homenim attacks...attacking the messenger and not the message.

You attacked him personally.

Not true. Challenging someone's beliefs in a debate forum is not attacking the person, but what the person believes.

Colossians 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.