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"Baptist Doctrines"

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Rev. Joshua, Aug 29, 2002.

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  1. C.S. Murphy

    C.S. Murphy New Member

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    Josh in all fainess here let's not go into this again, suffice it to say that you and I dissagree on certain issues and since this is true any answer that I give you will not satisfy nor will your answers satisfy me. If you have honestly started this to help the other threads stay pure as you said then you must understand my view.
    Murph
     
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  2. Rev. Joshua

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    I might quibble here since some baptist groups defined themselves by their unwillingness to participate in missions. Other than that, I'd say you pretty much nailed the fundamental principles.

    I would also add a strong stand on separation of church and state.

    Joshua

    [ August 30, 2002, 12:17 AM: Message edited by: Rev. Joshua Villines ]
     
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  3. C.S. Murphy

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    Now THAT is a historic baptist position!</font>[/QUOTE]Latreia when you couple her quote No creed but the Bible and your earlier post Authority of the Scriptures, I must ask the question why do you appear to be standing with those of liberal view?
    Murph
     
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  4. Rev. Joshua

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    I'm not really looking for satisfaction, just clarity and communication. You and I aren't the only ones who read this thread, and the "who is a baptist issue" is a significant topic that comes up regularly. A couple of new posters have showed up out of nowhere and started accusing me and a couple of other forum regulars of not being authentic baptists. Thats a particularly serious charge to level against me, since I am a baptist minister by profession. I think those folks should have the opportunity to clarify their positions.

    I doubt I would use the "stay pure" language, but my intent was certainly to avoid derailing the thread with a long digression. Occasional asides are to be expected and sometimes a pleasant refresher when folks are taking themselves too seriously; but I do prefer to keep threads generally on topic.

    With that said, I strongly resent the implied slur against my honesty. You know the reason I started the thread because I told you the reason. In my personal and professional life, as well as here on the board, I have a hard-earned reputation for speaking clearly, precisely, and honestly. I am neither deceptive nor disingenuous in my posts; and don't fall back on the smokescreen of theological jargon that some of my colleagues use to obscure their liberalism.

    Joshua
     
    #24 Rev. Joshua, Aug 30, 2002
  5. post-it

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    Actually, this invisible List of Doctrine and code requirement Justified, Murph, and his gang are trying to create goes in direct opposition of basic Baptist principles of individual priesthood and interpretation from the Holy Spirit. Baptists are very "independent" in nature and thank God, always will be.

    To arrive at the level of codes and acceptance of doctrine and interpretation they wish existed, they will have form a new denomination. Maybe a cross between Baptist and Catholic. The first code seems to be, Thou shalt not question or interpret scripture outside of what a few have decided on.

    Batholics, may be a good name for this new denomination.
     
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  6. go2church

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    I stand for the historic baptist doctrines that make all baptist's UNIQUE and FREE! If that makes me "liberal" in your mind, then so be it!

    One question:
    What is so threatening about the religious freedom of others that you feel you have to impose your point on view as the standard to which all must be accountable?
     
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  7. hrhema

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    There are various Baptist teachings and beliefs.
    We all know that. Many adhere to Calvinism and many do not. There are Baptist churches which are liberal and there are those who are conservative.
    I understand that you are just trying to understand each and everyone of them.

    I hope there are not any young believers who get into this post and see the attitude of these other posters because it would sure discourage them. The same posters get upset when someone questions their salvation but their attitudes do not show a Christ-like spirit which would make anyone question their validity as a believer.
     
    #27 hrhema, Aug 30, 2002
  8. rsr

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    Joshua:

    I think liberty of conscience is the Baptist distinctive. Although we take it for granted today, it was a radical position in the 17th century.

    From the Standard Confession (1660):

     
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  9. Bible-belted

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    Now THAT is a historic baptist position!</font>[/QUOTE]Latreia when you couple her quote No creed but the Bible and your earlier post Authority of the Scriptures, I must ask the question why do you appear to be standing with those of liberal view?
    Murph    </font>[/QUOTE]Murph,

    I don't confuse a particular interpretation of Scripture with Scripture itself. Some folks, when they read "no creed but the Scriptures" immediately identify the Bible with certain interpretations of the Bible. I don't do that. Only Scripture is inerrant. Our interpretations may be right, but they are not inerrant.
    I actually don't stand with liberals on Scripture authoirty and inerrancy issues Murph. I hold to verbal plenary inspiration, and "Full Inerrancy".
     
    #29 Bible-belted, Aug 30, 2002
  10. Scott J

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    Here are the Baptist distinctives:

     
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    How do you define that Joshua?

    Keeping the Church out of the Govt. as interpreted now or the Govt. out the church as it was originally intended?
     
    #31 onevoice, Aug 30, 2002
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    #32 Deacon, Aug 30, 2002
  13. LadyEagle

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    Thank you, ScottJ. [​IMG]

    This information will be helpful for those who really want to know and are perhaps lurking.

    However, as we can see from the various threads, there are many "Baptists" who do not embrace these. (not mentioning any names) [​IMG]
     
    #33 LadyEagle, Aug 30, 2002
  14. Daniel David

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    I find this statement truly amazing. I started two posts that were similar but not the same. I started with the mindset of engaging those of a liberal persuasion.

    The first one was about Open Theism and secret sins.

    The second one was about Scripture and secret sins.

    Josh, you briefly engaged the Open Theism thread only to write it off without any kind of thought or logic.

    You have totally ignored the second one. In it, I directly challenged your homosexual (just to name one) view. I don't remember seeing your response.
     
    #34 Daniel David, Aug 31, 2002
  15. Rev. Joshua

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    Preach, please give me the links and I'll be happy to jump back in. Sorry that I missed those threads.

    Joshua

    P.S. On the homosexual issue a quick search will show you several threads where we completely exhausted the topic.
     
    #35 Rev. Joshua, Aug 31, 2002
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