So-- why is the state ordering the church around? If you advocate separation of the 2, then the state has no business telling a church what kind of materials it must use in building o how many exits it must have. Likewise, it cannot tell a church how to dispose of garbage or waste and the police cannot enter church property to arrest a suspect a church may choose to 'harbor,' for the church and the state must be completely separate. I'm sure you really advocate this separation.
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So-- why is the state ordering the church around? If you advocate separation of the 2, then the state has no business telling a church what kind of materials it must use in building o how many exits it must have. Likewise, it cannot tell a church how to dispose of garbage or waste and the police cannot enter church property to arrest a suspect a church may choose to 'harbor,' for the church and the state must be completely separate. I'm sure you really advocate this separation.
That’s fine, then start paying taxes. That will even it out quite nicely.
If the baker has a "for profit" business that is open to sell to the public who at will buy from the bakery, then there is NO first amendment protection.
The baker should perform for any what goods and services are offered. There is no "privacy" laws, or laws that allow that baker to refuse service unless health and safety codes are violated.
The greatest violation in testimony happens when "tent makers" refuse shelter for anyone willing to pay for the service and goods.
Perhaps you mistake local health and safety codes and the "free exercise" of religion.
Local health and safety codes may not impose a barrier upon the gathering, but where and under what shelter may be regulated because the requirement to provide services (medical, fire, police, sanitation, utilities,...) must meet some standard of safety for those providing the service.
Therefore, yes a local community may "tell a church how to dispose of garbage or waste and the police may enter church property to arrest a suspect."
"Safe harbor" is not a guarantee under "free exercise" of the constitution.
It is granted by most authorities out of respect, but just as the Branch Davidian massacre, is not a guaranteed right.
There is no "safe harbor" for fugitives in a church.
Paying taxes doesn't change the rules.
The not for profit and non-profit business are established under IRS regulations which has nothing to do with whether a group publishes any message it desires as long as the messages are not terrorist threats.
LOL...in today's word, any utterance might be considered to be terrorism. Have you done any studies on how many Gen X people are going to church? I had a couple of them over the house last night, asked the question & was told they dont consider it relevant. Hmmm I thought, if the churches in my area are not influencing these young men & woman, if they dont see any reason to belong to churches.....whats the future hold?
But, if you do not speak specifically to the issues they consider relavant and pointing out the sinfulness of sin in what they consider relevant, especially as it relates to political authorities, how is that wrong?