Barack Obama

Whatever. Apparently only those who conform to your interpretation of Christian values are True Christians (tm).

While I do not favor abortions, I think the only rational way to discourage abortions is by starting far earlier than the doctor's office. This would mean educating parents to educate children, it would mean befriending and educating -through-relationship those doctors and nurses who currently perform abortions. It would mean becoming serious about offering alternatives to poor and marginalized women.

These things don't apeal to True Christians (tm), of course, because it would mean getting their hands dirty.

As far as gay marriage is concerned, the state has no right to extend benefits to one set of individuals (tax breaks, health and survivorship considerations, etc.) and not extend those same benefits to another set of individuals. To do so is to violate those individuals' civil rights. Again, True Christians (tm), who depend upon the state to preserve the sanctity of their own marriages, think these individuals deserve to be discriminated against. However, us evil, LIbertarian Christians understand that God hates injustice almost as much as God hates idolatry. Thus as far as governmental sanction of marriage is concerned, I have no problem taking my Christian values into the voting booth with me with confidence.

Only True Christians (tm) think God is a Republican. The rest of us know that God is not about partisan politics at all, but about the reconciliation of all the world to God through Jesus Christ.

 

Are you saying God doesn't know one in the womb and have a plan for one's life?

Are you also saying that homosexuality is a sin that we should condone and support and institutionalize?

Is that your interpretation of Christian values?

 

Has anyone else noticed the correlation of those who say they are against any and all abortions, and those who are against teaching about contraceptives?

Guess what folks...condoms and the pill prevent abortions.

Sorry for following the hijack. Back to your regular programming.

 

Don't put words in my mouth. Go back and read what I actually said.

Again, go back and read what I actually wrote, not what you wanted to read into my words.

Noooo, that's your True Christian (tm) interpretation of what I actually said. Try harder.

 

My questions were an attempt to get clarification from you about your statement.

You have criticized my interpretation of the Bible passages on which I base my feelings on homosexual marriage and abortion.

How do you interpret them differently?

Do you believe God knows you in your mother's womb and has a plan for you? I do.

Do you believe that homesexuality is a sin that we should condone, support , and institutionalize? I don't.
Perhaps you don't even consider homosexual acts a sin. I do. If you don't, say so. Don't be bashful.

Use your own words to explain the difference between your interpretation of the relevent scripture and mine.:thumbsup:

Take a stand and tell us what it is.

 

I have taken a stand. If you refuse to acknowledge said stand, that is not my problem.

Nothing I said is counter to the Scripture you cite from Jeremiah, nor has it anything to do with the sexual mores and morality of Christians. The State is not the Church, if you haven't noticed.

 

Yes, you have your feet planted firmly in mid air.

<personal attack deleted - LE>

 

Name calling does nothing to bolster your moral superiority, nor does it garner you any respect from adult posters.

Am I to assume you do not know that State and Chruch are separate entities? Am I free to assume, then, that in your mind America is a theocracy?

 

There is only one Bible. Either you are a follower of God's Word or you're not.

You are diliberately choosing "not" for the sake of politics.

I can only pray that you will grow enough as a Christian that you will someday place yourself completely under God's authority instead of just when it's politically correct. raying:

 

So if I decide to become a True Christian (tm) like you, I can call people names, insist they follow only my own narrow interpretation of Scripture, or condemn them to Hell?

Neat-o! Where do I sign up for this alternate reality?

 

This, ladies and gentlemen, is why reasonable people rarely ever frequent this forum.

 

But it is kind of fun to poke the angry Fundamentalists every once in a while...

 

I apologize for calling you a coward.

I don't know whether your interpretation of Scripture is narrow or not. You won't tell us what it is.

But...

The Lord said that the "way" is narrow.

 

I believe that I did.

Does your understanding of Scripture lead you to see, as I do, that mercy is better than sacrifice, and that God hates injustice almost as much as idolatry?

Could it thus be that mercy, not insisting that Christian and unbeliever alike conform to our morals, is the defining character of faith?

How is that not an interpretation of Scripture?

 

You didn't , really. I asked you a couple of very simple uncomplicated questions which you have yet to answer and I don't expect you to. I know you cannot biblically justify your support of abortion and the sin of homosexuallity.

Mercy is one of the defining characters of our faith. Unbelievers are invited to conform to God's word. Christians should already be making a maximum effort to be doing so.

For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those that find it.

(Matthew 7:14)

 

I can tell you exactly why, because 99% of the posts in this and other similiar threads are debated on the premise of the facade that there is a difference between democrats and republicans. Put in 3rd grade terms, my party is holier than your party. You know what, through the eyes of Jesus, both parties look pretty much the same, corrupt, self serving, power hungry politicians that could care less about the American people.

Worst of all are those who pretend to care for unborn life, those who pander to Christians for political power, yet, when the idiots are in power, abortion just keeps right on going. Yet, when they are in power, the budget goes on right out of control. Yet, when they are in power, the country continues its moral decline. Yet, when they are in power, social security and medicare continue to slide into obivion. Soldiers contiune to die with no leadership.

Wake up America. See government and politicians through the eyes of God, and one can only come to one conclusion. Put the democratic and republican parties on the trash heap of history and start over.

 

Suuuuure. You were setting a trap for a Liberal, and you know it.

I never claimed to support abortion, and I am not convinced that being gay is a Scriptural sin. So you're trying to make me compare apples to oranges, or dance to architecture. I would recommend expanding your vocabulary a bit.

Where in Scripture are unbelievers invited to conform to God's word? If they "conform" to the letter of Old Testament Law, are they saved? If so, the Jesus died in vain.

Oh, oh, I guess if we make the US look just like the written and unwritten rules in your particular church, then everyone in America will go to Heaven, right? Maybe we can legislate people into the faith, huh?

If so, again, Jesus died in vain.

Nice prooftexting.

 

By supporting those who support abortion, you are supporting abortion.

Being "gay" is not a sin. Acting on it is.

If you are not sure that homosexual acts are a sin, I suggest Christian counseling.

 

Please refrain from personal attacks & innuendos. This thread is full of them and is closed without warning.

Lady Eagle,
Moderator