Barak H Obama the final straw?

[OldRegular]

No problems here. The focus of the problem is that you seem very uncomfortable defending conservative values, or ones that matter.

One of us is in limbo and I don't believe it is me. I have been defending conservative values before you were a gleam in anyones eye. So show me one conservative value that I have been "uncomfortable" defending.

 

[JustChristian]

The secular humanists/atheists won a significant victory when prayer was taken from public schools, probably because the American people viewed it as a bill of divorcement from God. The country has been on the downhill slide since: 50 million unborn babies murdered, the rise of homosexual militancy, the destruction of the federalism concept of the Republic, the concentration of power in Washington DC, etc. Is the election of the unknown Barak H Obama the final straw in the destruction of the American Republic?

George Bush will go down in history as having destroyed America not Obama.

 

[OldRegular]

George Bush will go down in history as having destroyed America not Obama.

Do you walk on water also BB!:sleeping_2:

 

[JustChristian]

Do you walk on water also BB!:sleeping_2:

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[righteousdude2]

I Think That Was a Fair Question...

What does that have to do with anything?

Considering all of the statements you make about other's posts and comments, that seems to be a FAIR question. Do you walk on water, or does your trek on water result in wet shoes/boots? All of us would like to know?:wavey:

 

[OldRegular]

Considering all of the statements you make about other's posts and comments, that seems to be a FAIR question. Do you walk on water, or does your trek on water result in wet shoes/boots? All of us would like to know?:wavey:

:thumbs: :thumbs:

 

[JustChristian]

Considering all of the statements you make about other's posts and comments, that seems to be a FAIR question. Do you walk on water, or does your trek on water result in wet shoes/boots? All of us would like to know?:wavey:

That;s a joke. All the statements I make? You and the other Republican fanatics here have called our new president about ever name in the book, the Fuhrer, the Anti-Christ, a Marxist, a socialist, a murderer. Just look at the posts in this area. About 95% of them slander Obama. Give me a break.

 

[sag38]

Oh yes, you always take the high road. You have never said anything inflammatory about George Bush or anyone else for that matter.

 

[JustChristian]

Oh yes, you always take the high road. You have never said anything inflammatory about George Bush or anyone else for that matter.

To tell you the truth I'd rather take the high road. But it's just about impossible with this crowd and outnumbered about 30 or more to 1.

 

[saturneptune]

One of us is in limbo and I don't believe it is me. I have been defending conservative values before you were a gleam in anyones eye. So show me one conservative value that I have been "uncomfortable" defending.

Lets see, you defend the Bush administration regularly on its conservative ideals. Yes, it is quite clear. I am the one out in limbo. If you need more examples, let me know.

I dont know, maybe back in the 30s, conservative meant government intervention into citizen's lives.

 

[sag38]

Considering all of the statements you make about other's posts and comments, that seems to be a FAIR question. Do you walk on water, or does your trek on water result in wet shoes/boots? All of us would like to know?:wavey:

If he does walk on water does that mean that he can't swim?

 

[righteousdude2]

I Stand By My Words....

That;s a joke. All the statements I make? You and the other Republican fanatics here have called our new president about ever name in the book, the Fuhrer, the Anti-Christ, a Marxist, a socialist, a murderer. Just look at the posts in this area. About 95% of them slander Obama. Give me a break.

Obama, will always be nothing less than a "baby killer" as long as he supports abortion. And all those who voted for him, knowing his stand on abortion, are as guilty as he is. The only vote that one could make, when it comes to a leader, at any level of government, is to vote for the pro-life candidate. If there are no candidates that profess pro-life, than a non vote for that office is the only other choice that keeps the voter from being a part of the sin and as guilty of murder as those who do the abortion. And that is not just my humble opinion, brother, it is the Word of God: "Thou shalt not kill!"

Sorry your candidate is a baby killer, and he will have to answer to God for this sin, as will those who supported him, and worked with him. Obama is as guilty as sin!

Pastor Paul

 

[just-want-peace]

I almost feel a pang of pity for these blinded minions of Obama.
If it weren't for the dangers to our nation, I could eliminate the "almost", but all of us are going to suffer, should He delay His coming, for the lack of discernment of these same folk, so my feeling is more contempt than pity.

Don't hand me that garbage about how bad Bush was either, cause that has nothing to do with this topic, tho I do agree that he could have done far more from a conservative standpoint; but Bush is going to look like a SS teacher compared to Obama before too many moons pass after 01/20/09.

Also, McCain lacked much to root for, but he was head & shoulders above Obama in what's better for our country.

Yes, I will continue to pray for Obama; hopefully that something/someone will crack the resistance to a relationship with Christ and, hopefully then, he will be less danger to our society than now.

Edited to add:
I know you think I'm being judgmental, but in reality I'm just inspecting fruit! Get over it!!!!

 

[JustChristian]

Obama, will always be nothing less than a "baby killer" as long as he supports abortion. And all those who voted for him, knowing his stand on abortion, are as guilty as he is. The only vote that one could make, when it comes to a leader, at any level of government, is to vote for the pro-life candidate. If there are no candidates that profess pro-life, than a non vote for that office is the only other choice that keeps the voter from being a part of the sin and as guilty of murder as those who do the abortion. And that is not just my humble opinion, brother, it is the Word of God: "Thou shalt not kill!"

Sorry your candidate is a baby killer, and he will have to answer to God for this sin, as will those who supported him, and worked with him. Obama is as guilty as sin!

Pastor Paul

Your president was a murderer of innocent women and children in Iraq. Do you support murder of those who have already been born? Why? Certainly they have as much a right to live as the unborn.

 

[OldRegular]

Your president was a murderer of innocent women and children in Iraq. Do you support murder of those who have already been born? Why? Certainly they have as much a right to live as the unborn.

That sounds like Jeremiah Wright talking about the enemy killed in WWII. Any connection?:laugh:

 

[JustChristian]

That sounds like Jeremiah Wright talking about the enemy killed in WWII. Any connection?:laugh:

If he's a Christian, yes.

 

[billwald]

Since the end of WW2 American foreign policy and black opps is probably responsible for as many deaths as communism since WW2.

It took 10 years for the US government to admit to the existence of Gulf War Syndrome in our own citizens. How many civilians are also effected? No one will ever know because American war crimes are never documented.

 

[righteousdude2]

My President Did Fight A Legal War...

Your president was a murderer of innocent women and children in Iraq. Do you support murder of those who have already been born? Why? Certainly they have as much a right to live as the unborn.

Glad to hear you agree that the unborn have the right to live! That's a start....... now let's address your attack on Bush and war!!!

It was, and still is a war against terrorists. I'll bet you forgot that Saddam Hussein was paying $25,000.00 to the families of suicide bombers. He did possess WMD's and we would have found them had we immediately went into Iraq, and by-passed the two-month build up. That time allowed them to move and hide their WMD's.

Again, it is a legitimate war, and people do die in wars. In 9/11, the terrorists killed nearly 100% civilians. We call the killing of civilians collateral damage [which still doesn't make it right], the terrorists call it successful Jihad against the Infidels.

If we would have ignored the 9/11 attacks, I guarantee you the war would have ended up in our backyards and neighborhoods. Bush kept us free from the battle being on our soil.

You appear to be a "peace-nick, and that is your right, but, I don't think it is God's way, because both the OT and NT detail war, and killing, and warn us that the last days will be so bad, people will be crying out for death to remove them from this earth!

It's time to move on BB, Bush may be seen as the worst President ever, but, I think the world will look upon him as the man who kept the terrorists out of America for 7 years. Could your president be the first to bring the war on terrorism to our shores [per the Biden prophesy].

Should that happen, it would make BHO responsible for killing babies, and now innocent Americans on their own soil.

And I want to make a hypothetical-prediction: Should the terrorists come to America the first thing they will do is round up and arrest all the vocal advocates and so-called comedians, and the celebrity in Hollywood. These big mouth anti-Americans, protected under freedom of speech will more than likely have their tongues cut out in order to silence their verbal anarchy, which would be used against their attempt to conquer America on its own soil. Think I'm wrong? Just look what happens to those "free talkers" in Iran, and countries under Al Queda and the Tali-ban. Than let's see these celebrity put down the military for trying to protect them....this is a pretty sad scenario.

Peace brother,

Pastor Paul:type:

 

[rbell]

Since the end of WW2 American foreign policy and black opps is probably responsible for as many deaths as communism since WW2.

Nice unprovable accusation: source, please?

It took 10 years for the US government to admit to the existence of Gulf War Syndrome in our own citizens. How many civilians are also effected? No one will ever know because American war crimes are never documented.

Nice, unprovable accusation: source, please?

Or is this another "post and run?"

 

[OldRegular]

Since the end of WW2 American foreign policy and black opps is probably responsible for as many deaths as communism since WW2.

It took 10 years for the US government to admit to the existence of Gulf War Syndrome in our own citizens. How many civilians are also effected? No one will ever know because American war crimes are never documented.

I chose to present the following information rather than identify a web site so people could see just how asinine your comment is.

Communist Body Count

Scott Manning
December 4, 2006
The following estimates represent citizens killed or starved to death by their own Communist governments since 1918. These numbers do not include war dead. The governments are sorted by body count (highest to lowest).

All numbers are mid-estimates.

While this list is as complete as I have been able to determine, it is evolving. Some numbers are incomplete and there are still five Communist countries that have the potential to kill more of their citizens. Over the next year, each government will be profiled in detail on this website.

A detailed bibliography is listed at the end of this page. Feedback is more than welcome.


Communist Body Count: 149,469,610


Rank
Country
1
People's Republic of China
Body Count: 73,237,000
1949-Present (57+ years and counting)

R.J. Rummel originally estimated China's body count between between the years of 1949-1987 to be 35,236,000 (Rummel 1994). This excluded 38,000,000 million that died of famine during the Great Leap Forward. After the release of Mao: The Unknown Story, Rummel became convinced that the Chinese government was directly responsible for the famine, thus increasing his original estimate by 38,000,000 (Rummel 2005). 1,000 was added for Tienanmen Square in 1989 (Courtois 1999).


2
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Body Count: 58,627,000
1922-1991 (69 years)

The body count only covers the years 1923-1987 (Rummel 1996).

3
Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic
Body Count: 3,284,000
1918-1922 (4 years)

This body count does not include the 6,210,000 killed in the civil war (Rummel 1996).

4
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Body Count: 3,163,000
1948-Present (58+ years and counting)

1,663,000 is attributed between 1948-1987 excluding the Korean War (Rummel 1994). 2,500,000 is the mid-estimate for those who starved to death between 1995-1998 (U.S. Committee for Human Rights in North Korea 2006).

5
Cambodia
Body Count: 2,627,000
1975-1987 (12 years)

The body count estimate is complete (Rummel 1994). The offical country name was Democratic Kampuchea during Pol Pot's reign and then known as People's Republic of Kampuchea afterwards.

6
Democratic Republic of Afghanistan
Body Count: 1,750,000
1978-1992 (14 years)

The body count estimate is complete (Courtois 1999).

7
Vietnam
Body Count: 1,670,000
1975-Present (30+ years and counting)

The body count covers the years 1945-1987 for Vietnam/North Vietnam and excludes 1,062,000 from the Vietnam War (Rummel 1994).

8
People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia
Body Count: 1,343,610
1974-1991 (17 years)

The body count includes 10,000 political assasinations during 1977-1978, 1,000 children killed in 1977, 110 massacred in an Orthodox church in 1975, 80,000 during the civil war between 1978-1980, 250,000 that died in 1982 through Transit Camps, and 2,500 killed in a bombing raid (Courtois 1999). Another 1,000,000 is added for the famine during 1984-1985 (BBC News 2000).

9
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
Body Count: 1,072,000
1945-1992 (47 years)

The body count only covers the years 1945-1992 excluding 100,000 from the Tito Partisans between 1941-1944 (Rummel 1994).

10
Chinese Soviet Republic
Body Count: 700,000
1931-1934 (3 years)

The body count only includes the Jiangxi and Fujian provinces (Chang 2005). Although Mozambique has 700,000 to its name, the Chinese Soviet Republic produced more bodies in a shorter time period and the estimate is low.

11
People's Republic of Mozambique
Body Count: 700,000
1975-1990 (15 years)

100,000 civilians murdered between 1986 and mid-1988 (Young 1991) and 600,000 starved to death between 1975-1985 (Courtois 1999).

12
Socialist Republic of Romania
Body Count: 435,000
1947-1989 (42 years)

The body count only covers the years 1947-1987 (Rummel 1997).

13
People's Republic of Bulgaria
Body Count: 222,000
1946-1990 (44 years)

The body count only covers the years 1948-1987 (Rummel 1997).

14
People's Republic of Angola
Body Count: 125,000
1975-1992 (17 years)

The body count only covers the years 1975-1987 (Rummel 1997).15

16
Mongolian People's Republic
Body Count: 100,000
1924-1992 (68 years)

The body count only covers the years 1924-1987 (Rummel 1997).

16
People's Socialist Republic of Albania
Body Count: 100,000
1946-1991 (45 years)

The body count only covers the years 1944-1987 (Rummel 1997).

17

Republic of Cuba
Body Count: 73,000
1961-Present (45+ years and counting)
The body count only covers the years 1959-1987 (Rummel 1997).

18
German Democratic Republic
Body Count: 70,000
1949-1990 (41 years)

The body count only covers the years 1948-1987 (Rummel 1997).

19
Socialist Republic of Czechoslovakia
Body Count: 65,000
1948-1990 (42 years)

The body count only covers the years 1948-1968 (Rummel 1997).

20
Lao People's Democratic Republic
Body Count: 56,000
1975-Present (31+ years and counting)

The body count only covers the years 1975-1987 excluding 47,000 war dead (Rummel 1997).

21
Hungarian People's Republic
Body Count: 27,000
1949-1989 (40 years)

The body count only covers the years 1948-1987 (Rummel 1997).

22
People's Republic of Poland
Body Count: 22,000
1948-1989 (41 years)

The body count only covers the years 1948-1987 (Rummel 1997). Excludes 1,585,000 from ethnic cleansing between 1945-1950 (Rummel 1994).

23
People's Democratic Republic of Yemen
Body Count: 1,000
1969-1990 (21 years)

The body count only covers the years 1969-1987 (Rummel 1997).