1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

BASIC FACTS TO KNOW ABOUT VACCINATIONS

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Oct 5, 2005.

  1. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    22,016
    Likes Received:
    487
    Faith:
    Baptist
    If I were you, I would continue to post what YOU feel is important. If people don't answer it, so what ? If people poke fun, so what ?

    I don't like to use extra-biblical quotes here, but Frank Zappa once said...

    "When it's you against the world, bet on the world."
     
  2. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    Well I guess most likely I will.

    I haven't felt at home here on the planet since Feb. 15, 1975, that's not the date aliens dropped me off here BTW that's day I accepted Christ as my saviour. I'm betting on Jesus he already overcame the world. ;)
     
  3. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    22,016
    Likes Received:
    487
    Faith:
    Baptist
    And that, I will always agree with. Amen.
     
  4. Rocko9

    Rocko9 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2005
    Messages:
    1,621
    Likes Received:
    0
    The last time I recieved a vaccination I became fat and bald. I remember the first time I was vaccinated for polio, I don't know what they had in the serum but that foot long needle almost kiled me.
     
  5. Priscilla Ann

    Priscilla Ann Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2002
    Messages:
    616
    Likes Received:
    0
    Rocko9:

    Do you know anyone who has had polio? I have an uncle who had polio in the 1950's. He survived, but is disabled, and lives with a lot of pain. I'm sure my uncle would agree that the polio vaccine is worth the possible risks. Needless to say, his children and grandchildren have received all of their vaccinations, with no side effects.

    Sadly, many people have forgotten how deadly, destructive and contagious some of these diseases can be. Thank goodness for vaccinations!
     
  6. Rocko9

    Rocko9 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2005
    Messages:
    1,621
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yes Priscilla,
    I have cousin who suffered through having polio and it is no laughing matter. This also happened in the 1950s.and many of us remember those vaccination shots that they would give before they invented the oral vaccine.I am in no way putting down or making fun of those who have suffered with the disease but I can look back now at those times and reflect about how scared I was as a young boy to get my polio shot, I am glad that I did . I can also look back and at myself and see that some of what I went through to get a shot, the silliness of avoiding the foot long needle to a degree as somewhat amusing.
     
  7. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    Some vaccines have been useful and successful. The tetanus campaign that was used in the Phillipines and Mexico as a means of covert population control isn't one of them. How many other vaccines have been used for means other than their stated purpose?
     
  8. Daisy

    Daisy New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2003
    Messages:
    7,751
    Likes Received:
    0
    I got the sugarcube.
     
  9. Phillip

    Phillip <b>Moderator</b>

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2001
    Messages:
    6,708
    Likes Received:
    1
    Tetnus campaign used as covert population control in the Phillipines and Mexico? :confused:
     
  10. Phillip

    Phillip <b>Moderator</b>

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2001
    Messages:
    6,708
    Likes Received:
    1
    I got the sugarcube. </font>[/QUOTE]I remember my mother taking me to the school to get the vaccine. I worried for three days.

    I almost bit my tongue off when I was a baby and they had to hold me down and stitch it back together. Dad said that I would start screaming every time I saw a nurses uniform after that. So, needles and doctors scared me (still do).

    Anyway, they gave me the pink sugar-cube and I was sooooooo happy. Didn't know the sugar-cube was riskier and used live virus, but didn't care either. Needle or sugar-cube-------take the sugar-cube. [​IMG]
     
  11. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    Tetnus campaign used as covert population control in the Phillipines and Mexico? :confused: </font>[/QUOTE]http://thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm

     
  12. prophecynut

    prophecynut New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2004
    Messages:
    1,263
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thanks Poncho for the 'think twice'link, added it to my favorites. Anybody thinking about taking the flu shot should read:

    http://thinktwice.com/flu_lie.htm


    "Why is the CDC promoting a flu vaccine to protect against pneumonia?" Answer: $$$$$$$$$
     
  13. prophecynut

    prophecynut New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2004
    Messages:
    1,263
    Likes Received:
    0
    A book for skeptics:

    THE MEDICAL MAFIA:
    How To Get Out of It Alive and Take Back Our Health and Wealth
    by Guylaine Lanctot, M.D.

    This is the book that cost the author her medical license! The medical industry took the author to a "kangaroo" court and revoked her license to practice medicine because she revealed industry secrets in this banned book. What is this book about? Here is a summary:
    The medical establishment works closely with the drug multinationals whose main objective is profits, and whose worst nightmare would be an epidemic of good health. Lots of drugs and vaccines MUST be sold. In order to achieve this, anything goes: lies, fraud, and kickbacks. Doctors are the principal salespeople of the drug companies. They are rewarded with research grants, gifts, and lavish perks. The principal buyers are the public -- from infants to the elderly -- who MUST be thoroughly medicated and vaccinated...at any cost! Why do the authorities forbid alternative medicine? Because they are serving the industry, and the industry cannot make money with herbs, vitamins, and homeopathy. They cannot patent natural remedies. That is why they push synthetics. They control medicine, and that is why they are able to tell medical schools what they can and cannot teach. They have their own sets of laws, and they force people into them. That is a mafia. This sensational expose' uncovers the truth behind vaccines, AIDS, cancer, the World Health Organization (WHO), the Rockefeller Foundation, the World Bank, and more. Highly recommended! 250p. Code: TMM $19.95.


    THE MEDICAL MAFIA: How To Get Out of It Alive and Take Back Our Health and Wealth
    by Guylaine Lanctot, M.D.
    This is the book that cost the author her medical license! The medical industry took the author to a "kangaroo" court and revoked her license to practice medicine because she revealed industry secrets in this banned book. What is this book about? Here is a summary:
    The medical establishment works closely with the drug multinationals whose main objective is profits, and whose worst nightmare would be an epidemic of good health. Lots of drugs and vaccines MUST be sold. In order to achieve this, anything goes: lies, fraud, and kickbacks. Doctors are the principal salespeople of the drug companies. They are rewarded with research grants, gifts, and lavish perks. The principal buyers are the public -- from infants to the elderly -- who MUST be thoroughly medicated and vaccinated...at any cost! Why do the authorities forbid alternative medicine? Because they are serving the industry, and the industry cannot make money with herbs, vitamins, and homeopathy. They cannot patent natural remedies. That is why they push synthetics. They control medicine, and that is why they are able to tell medical schools what they can and cannot teach. They have their own sets of laws, and they force people into them. That is a mafia. This sensational expose' uncovers the truth behind vaccines, AIDS, cancer, the World Health Organization (WHO), the Rockefeller Foundation, the World Bank, and more. Highly recommended! 250p. Code: TMM $19.95.


    http://thinktwice.com/medrack.htm
     
  14. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    Now with Codex Alimentarius passed into law through CAFTA they can control the herbs, vitamins, and homeopathy through more one world "harmonization".
     
  15. prophecynut

    prophecynut New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2004
    Messages:
    1,263
    Likes Received:
    0
    Conclusion:

    The price human beings have paid and continue to pay for vaccinations, prescription and over-the-counter drugs is staggering. Education and common sense is the best defense against this unholy onslaught on humanity.

    The pharmaceutical cartel thrives by requiring vaccinations and seducing people to ask their doctors to prescribe them dangerous drugs for the rest of their lives, then hides and denies any responsibility.

    Our body was created with the natural ability to maintain life-long health, given half the chance to do so. It is human nature to avoid healthy life-style changes that can bring our body back into a natural balance of health and well-being. Drugs are not the easy answer.

    For every medically named disease, there is a safe, natural remedy available. It is our responsibility to seek out that remedy, and live a life-style that promotes healthy living.

    http://ezinearticles.com/?Americas-Great-Pharmacy-Seduction:-Fundamentals-of-Prescription-Drug-Addiction&id=70105

    (Maybe a moderator will shorten the link, Lady Eagle?)
     
  16. Phillip

    Phillip <b>Moderator</b>

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2001
    Messages:
    6,708
    Likes Received:
    1
    If they truly are, it would be because elderly patients who get the flu, usually DIE of pneumonia, not the flu itself. Why do you think that any type of sickness can be so dangerous to the elderly? Because they often wind up with pneumonia...that's why.
     
  17. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    To rationalize this discrepancy between the true number of deaths caused by influenza every year (as documented in the CDC's own National Vital Statistics Reports) and the outrageously exaggerated bogus number of flu deaths promoted by the CDC, officials claim that flu often leads to pneumonia and that many deaths from pneumonia are really deaths caused by flu. Apparently the CDC has a secret formula for estimating how many pneumonia deaths (officially listed in the CDC's own National Vital Statistics Reports as deaths from pneumonia, not flu) are really deaths caused by flu. Adding to the confusion, influenza is caused by a virus; pneumonia is caused by bacteria. The CDC's own website takes great pains to emphasize their differences. More importantly, the CDC has a pneumonia vaccine. So why doesn't the CDC promote their pneumonia vaccine? In 2002, 65,231 people died from pneumonia; in 2001, 61,777 people died from pneumonia. If everyone took a pneumonia vaccine, especially the elderly and others most susceptible to the disease, wouldn't they be protected? Why is the CDC promoting a flu vaccine to protect against pneumonia, especially when one disease is caused by a virus and the other by bacteria? Also, how many people who died from pneumonia received a flu vaccine? How many received a pneumonia vaccine?

    SOURCE

    National Vital Statistics Reports

    So why doesn't the CDC promote their pneumonia vaccine, Phillip?
     
  18. Ed Edwards

    Ed Edwards <img src=/Ed.gif>

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2002
    Messages:
    15,715
    Likes Received:
    0
    This topic is swamped with lots of
    Argumentum ad Ignorantiam (argument from
    ignorance). I've heard nothing from the Disease
    Control Center that says Poncho doesn't exist;
    therefor he does exist. See what good logic it is [​IMG]

    A 'harass' is to attack the edge of a traveling army
    to pick off the slow and the stragglers never attacking
    full front. This topic meets the meaning of harass.

    It is just impossible to find fight Argumentum
    ad Ignorantiam from knowledge.

    Caveat:
    Nothing in this topic has been shown with correct logic.
    No reasonable source has been used.
    You don't know the lawyers of the parties making health
    suggestions - so you can't sue them if their advise goes
    wrong. Beware 'buying' this junk :(
     
  19. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    Reasonable source is matter of perception Ed. I don't remember ever saying that I was the brightest bulb in the knife drawer. If you would care to add something more than insults and cutdowns to this thread feel free to use whatever sources you want and make whatever points you like. I find your logic of attacking someone elses sources while only quoting a blog with footballs a bit telling and a little arrogant. And I type this while smiling and without a premeditated intent to cause you any emotional injury. [​IMG]

    [ October 13, 2005, 10:01 PM: Message edited by: poncho ]
     
  20. Phillip

    Phillip <b>Moderator</b>

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2001
    Messages:
    6,708
    Likes Received:
    1
    Thank you Ed--Interesting and enlightening post.

    Poncho, let me explain something else to you. The pneumonia vaccine protects against the bacterium pneumococcus (shortened for sake of the fact I don't want to waste the time looking it up in one of my microbiology textbooks.)

    To put it in language that you can obviously understand it is any ailment or infection of the lung causing the small air capsules to become filled with fluid or other material and limit the lung's capacity.

    Pneumonia can even be "chemical pneumonia" which is caused by gluid in the lungs from breathing an irritating chemical (for instance I got it after using a dry powder fire extenquisher--I could literally feel the cracking when I breathed as the fluid would bubble--luckily it was minor and breathing treatments took care of it.)

    Approximately 85% of the pneumonia found in elderly people who are either in hospitals or in long-term care is NOT caused by pneumococcus, It is caused by MRSA (Methycillin resistant Staph) which is resistant to ALL antibiotics except Vancomycin. Already at least two cases in America and several in Japan have shown resistance to Vancomycin (about $200 a bottle and requiring at least 30 day treatment).

    My mother got this type of pneumonia after receiving the pneumococcus vaccine. She was on the IV Vancomycin for 60 days before the antibiotic got control of the pneumonia.

    By the way, it would be impossible for you to cause Ed emotional injury. He might enjoy a good laugh, however.

    Again, no malice here, just discussion of vaccinations and other conspiracy theories that seem to go hand-in-hand. [​IMG]
    Seriously, there is no solid evidence of these conspiracy theories, short of websites that like to spread them.

    I have a question for you...Do you think the military is trying to take control of the country? Ed and I would both just love to hear your answer.
     
Loading...