Become one flesh

I have not confused anything. I understand literal adultery. That is not the issue.

That really makes no sense Ralph. Of course if you want to be specific, the Lord allows both inasmuch as He does not prevent us from doing either. However, no one has said that the Lord sanctions our actions that are contrary to His will for us either, so please stop attempting to make that an issue. It is not! Besides, where in the world did you get the "two wrongs making a right" point? Stay on topic brother!

Thank you for clearing that up. You really mean this adultery stuff has something to do with . . . shhhhhhhhhhhh . . . engaging in S E X while still married???

Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit????? My friend, you better revisit your position! Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin. Luk 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. Breaking a promise (vow) is not blaspheming.

I have never read these words in my Bible. Where are they located? There is nothing wrong with the words and we place great importance on them, but they are man's words. The reality is that you can be married at a courthouse and you never have to repeat anything. You are still married and you haven't promised anything.

Marriage is an institution whereby a man and a woman covenant to live together as one. It is legitimized by the recording of a license and is in effect until 1) either spouse dies, or 2) the marriage is dissolved by law. There is no other authority that legally obligates a man and woman to each other as man and wife . . . PERIOD!

Ralph, this is not MY dilemma. As far as I am concerned this dilemma is yours.

 

quote: "Marriage is an institution whereby a man and a woman covenant to live together as one. It is legitimized by the recording of a license and is in effect until 1) either spouse dies, or 2) the marriage is dissolved by law. There is no other authority that legally obligates a man and woman to each other as man and wife . . . PERIOD!"

MTA: My question (just so I understand your point) can a man and woman who is a christian marry and divorce as often as they wish without any Biblical mandate for or against it.

I am trying to understand the comment above and how you relate it to the Bible.

Thanks
Richard

 

We have a number of members who don't have marriage licenses yet claim to be 'married' in covenant marriages.

 

Yes, at least the one pushing for divorce (the deserter). If both were wanting the divorce, then both would be brought up for discipline.

 

No. I am in complete agreement of the sanctity of marriage and doing everything possible to preserve the institution of marriage. However, divorces do happen for unscriptural reasons. My issue was that some feel that the couple remains married after the divorce proceedings are finalized. Consequently, a divorced couple in those circumstances are living in an adulterous relationship. My question was How could a couple in this situation ever find forgiveness? They obviously could not ever repent under those circumstances.

 

Larry - Larry - Larry

1) I have NEVER EVER said "Hope your partner bites it" - So stop the rhetoric you so claim to despise!


2) You talk of laws and such and remove them from God so that you can break them - In the beginning it was NOT so - God is the source of all laws legal and spiritual. Let no man put asunder what God has joined....

3) How would God put asunder two people? This is actually a curiousity based question. Since while God could do it - I do not see Him doing it.

4) Based on the above can you tell me what the perfect ideal is?

5) This is if you get the answer to 4 correct - Should we not strive for the perfect ideal?

 

In your post on page 4, from October 19, 2004 12:59 AM, you said Scripture clearly states that divorced stay divorced or reconcile or hope their partner bites it. You may have forgotten you said it, but you did. You were out of line.

I have not removed any law. In fact, I have shown from the OT Law that divorce did indeed break a marriage and that God did allow remarriage after divorce. As you say, these laws come from God. It is his word. I didn't make this stuff up. YOu refuse to deal with it.

God does not put asunder two people. I never said taht he does. I merely recognized, as the Bible does, that divorce does end a marriage. Marriage can be broken, though it should not be.

I don't know what "above" you want me to base this on, but the biblical teaching on marriage is that it should be one man and one woman for life, living together in Christian harmony and companionship.

Yes, I have said that from the beginning. I have never condoned divorce. I think it is always the result of sin. It is never God's ideal. I am not sure how to make that any clearer. You can go back on numerous threads on divorce and see that I have said the exact same thing.

But I have also recognized that divorce does end a marriage, even when that divorce is sinful. The Bible clearly teaches that. Think of it this way: If divorce does not end a marriage, then on what ground did the Law prevent the remarriage of a divorced person to their original spouse (Deut 24). Under your thinking, they would have never been divorced. God said clearly that they were divorced and could not remarry.

 

First, I would be interested to see where I added "re" on the front of anything. I cannot find it. I think you didn't read closely.

But if you read what I said above, you would see how wrong your statement is. I already explained your direct question. I explained teh context. v. 27 present two kinds of people. THe first phrase refers to those who are "bound to a wife." That is what we call "married." Paul tells them not to seek a wife. The second person is one who has been loosed from a wife. That refers to someone who is divorced. (A single person was never loosed from a wife; he never had one). Paul says to the person "loosed from a wife" (i.e, divorce), that they should remain single. But if they marry, they have not sinned.

 

Just thought I'd POINT out this contradiction of yours. </font>[/QUOTE]Again, if you knew the Scriptural teaching on divorce and remarriage, you wouldn't have said this. There is no contradiction in what I said. It is what I have said from the beginning. This passage contradicts your position. Here is teh passage and you can read it for yourself.

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 "When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house, 2 and she leaves his house and goes and becomes another man's wife, 3 and if the latter husband turns against her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife, 4 then her former husband who sent her away is not allowed to take her again to be his wife, since she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the LORD, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance.

So quite clearly, I was right. God gave an instance where a divorced couple was not allowed to remarry their original spouse. What does that tell us? It tells us very plainly that the couple in question was not "still married in God's eyes." If they were still remarried, then God would not have commanded them not to remarry.

Ralph, The longer you go in this, the more you seem to demonstrate that you don't really know what Scripture says about this. YOu have listened to a few well meaning men who have taught you part of the story. But you cannot simply omit the passages of Scripture that don't quite fit your position. You have to realize that divorce does end a marriage and God recognizes the end of that marriage. You have to realize that in some cases, God did allow remarriage. The Deut 24 passage, among others, clearly teaches that.

 

I have not added to Scripture. EVerything I have said here, I supported with Scripture. Sorry, Ralph. That is just the way it is. I don't think we need to talk about remarriage. Let's just talk about what the Bible says. There are clear instances when the Bible talks of previously married people getting married. Talk about those and quit dodging it.