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Before and After
- Thread starter npetreley
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I noticed you left much out.
First - repentence isn't about being sorry for sin but a a change of mind from sin or a TURNING TO GOD from self-suffiency (sin). Please show where Israel repented in vs 31. It actually states they saw Gods goodness and were brought to shame because of their rebellion (vs 32).
Second - We know this is a latter prophesy of one almost identical to it in Chapter 11. (almost word for word- see bottom of post) It is here we can see repentence demonstrated, and AFTERWARD they were given a new heart, and new spirit. But to those who did not show the works of repentence but stayed in thier own ways, God would recompence their way upon their heads.
A big difference however is that in Chapter 11 He does all of this for both His and the Remnant sake (vs 13); whereas Chapter 36 God does this same thing NOW for His names sake alone, since even the remnant will be as all the rest - in sin. However I must say that in reading vs 23 and 24 (specifically 24) one can not help but see a repentence there as they leave their place and positions among the heathen in responce to the Call of God.
And if you will note that in the next verse it states, THEN I will give them a new...
And as we look at your verse showing what you assume is repentence, we can actaully see there is not repentence going on. However they are acknowledging (in light of God's goodness to them who did not deserve it) just how rebellious they were. They were ashamed at the rebellion they chose. We see this clearly in the next verse:
Why did you feel the need to take it out of the order it was written and therefore context to try and expound your point of Regeneration before repentence and faith? As far as scripture goes (at least here) and in context, it shows the opposite.
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This is Chapter 11 and almost a verbatum prophesy of what will transpire.
First - repentence isn't about being sorry for sin but a a change of mind from sin or a TURNING TO GOD from self-suffiency (sin). Please show where Israel repented in vs 31. It actually states they saw Gods goodness and were brought to shame because of their rebellion (vs 32).
Second - We know this is a latter prophesy of one almost identical to it in Chapter 11. (almost word for word- see bottom of post) It is here we can see repentence demonstrated, and AFTERWARD they were given a new heart, and new spirit. But to those who did not show the works of repentence but stayed in thier own ways, God would recompence their way upon their heads.
A big difference however is that in Chapter 11 He does all of this for both His and the Remnant sake (vs 13); whereas Chapter 36 God does this same thing NOW for His names sake alone, since even the remnant will be as all the rest - in sin. However I must say that in reading vs 23 and 24 (specifically 24) one can not help but see a repentence there as they leave their place and positions among the heathen in responce to the Call of God.
This is exactly what we would describe as Gods calling men and man repenting or turning to God from self and sin. Is that not what the church is - Called out ones.Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
And if you will note that in the next verse it states, THEN I will give them a new...
And as we look at your verse showing what you assume is repentence, we can actaully see there is not repentence going on. However they are acknowledging (in light of God's goodness to them who did not deserve it) just how rebellious they were. They were ashamed at the rebellion they chose. We see this clearly in the next verse:
Eze 36:32 Not for your sakes do I [this], saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
Why did you feel the need to take it out of the order it was written and therefore context to try and expound your point of Regeneration before repentence and faith? As far as scripture goes (at least here) and in context, it shows the opposite.
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This is Chapter 11 and almost a verbatum prophesy of what will transpire.
Eze 11:17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
Eze 11:18 And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.
Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze 11:20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 11:21 But [as for them] whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord GOD.
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npeterely,
There's another feature of that Ezekiel prophecy that you failed to take into account -- regeneration is, for Israel, resurrection to the earthly MK so that faith in Christ comes after they see Him in judgment, Rev 20:4, Mt 19:28.
These who are resurrected and receive a heart of flesh are the "treasure his in a field" which Jesus found at His first advent and hid and bought the field/earth on the cross in order to recover it.
I think these and perhaps other studies will help your understanding in applying OT regeneration in NT situations.
skypair
There's another feature of that Ezekiel prophecy that you failed to take into account -- regeneration is, for Israel, resurrection to the earthly MK so that faith in Christ comes after they see Him in judgment, Rev 20:4, Mt 19:28.
These who are resurrected and receive a heart of flesh are the "treasure his in a field" which Jesus found at His first advent and hid and bought the field/earth on the cross in order to recover it.
I think these and perhaps other studies will help your understanding in applying OT regeneration in NT situations.
skypair