Featured Behold I STAND at the door and Knock Rev 3

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junk...nothing scholarly

 

Right here;

Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

It was after hearing Peter preach and BELIEVING the gospel that Cornelius received the Holy Spirit.

 

I have never claimed or pretended to be a scholar, I am a very simple person who understands the scriptures for what they simply and plainly say.

 

Salvation here DOES NOT include baptism, but belief only. Those who believe shall be saved, those who do not believe shall be damned. Notice the second half of the verse does not mention baptism.

This is simply saying a person who does not live a godly life will suffer the loss of rewards, but they will still be saved. This is not another salvation.

This is speaking of the tribulation and those who do not deny Jesus.

This is a difficult verse, but most believe it is saying that while a woman must live in subjection to her husband, she is not inferior, as the Messiah shall come (or rather, did come) through the woman through childbearing. In this sense we were all "saved through childbearing".

I think you meant 1 Pet 3:20. This is simply speaking of Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives not perishing in the flood. This is not speaking of eternal salvation at all.

 

I can see that...your a face value type of guy. As a Roman Catholic, I was too and every thing was ok with the world. I could lie, cheat and steal and then go to mass and say a good act of contrition prayer and I was absolved of my sins for that week. I had it made...I was in control. Matter of fact, most around here are Roman Catholics...its an easy religion if you want a sinfilled life...one where you can say some Act of Contrition and poof, like magic your sins are forgiven.

 

Lets be honest here a minute Bob...if. you are fallen from Gods grace....then you never really had it to begin with.

This is a personal question for you that you don't have to answer but ive noted you do know allot about RC Cannon law. Could you at one time have been an RC? Again you don't have to answer however that would explain much...to me at least as I was raised up as one. And RC 's will tell youyou can fall from grace...just say a good Act of Contrition and your back however.

 

To one on the outside it is circular reasoning.
But to the one that has eternal life he knows it is not circular for he has eternal life and it cannot be lost for then it would not be eternal but only temporary, and consequently it would make Christ a liar; "for I give unto you eternal life, and you shall never perish."

Therefore, for a person in your position, to say the things you say, we conclude: "you never had it in the first place." That is from our perspective.

 

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Have you ever studied this verse carefully, or just use it as a proof text?
Paul is using it as a hypothetical.
Look carefully: "whosoever of you are (Lit. would be) justified by the law"

It is impossible to be justified by the law. This is a hypothetical. Over and over again Paul has taught that we are not justified by the law, but by faith.
Rom.5:1 Therefore being justified by FAITH we have peace with God.
One cannot be justified by the law.

Hypothetically, if it were possible to by justified by the law, you would be fallen, you wouldn't be saved. Why? You would have never been saved in the first place, obviously because one is saved by faith and that not of the law. For the law condemns.

 

You really don't get it do you?
It is impossible for a person to be justified by the law. It is that simple, and a truth that is stressed over and over and over again.

Both know what?
Revelation 3:20 is addressed to the pastor of a church, and thus the church as a whole. Churches are composed of believers, the saints in Christ. Therefore the verse has nothing to do with salvation. It is speaking of believers having communion and fellowship with Christ. That the verse is either misused or applied in a way it shouldn't be does not mean that it has a literal meaning different than what I just gave you.
There is no proof text here of losing one's salvation.
There is no text here that offers salvation.

 

I can hardly believe that we are still debating Revelation 3:22? You have not addressed the evidence placd before you yet! You ignore it and simply reassert fiction.

1. "Anyone" is within the context of the addressees - the seven churches - which totally excludes the lost world

2. "anyone" is within the context of those being chastened - v. 19 which totally excludes the lost world

3. "anyone" is within the context of those who have shut out Christ - v. 20 and are being threatened with chastisement - v. 19

The very word you are using "Anyone" is not isolated but found in context of the addressees "The Spirit saith to the churches" not to the world!!!!

The lost world is NEVER ONCE addressed in any of these letters. The lost world cannot enter into these congregations and fix any of these problems.

You are FORCING your interpretation into a plainly declared context.

 

There is no fiction in Galatian 5:4. You just are mishandling the context. From Galatians 1:6-9 forward the language makes it clear that they had departed from the THEOLOGICAL position of grace through false teaching (Gal. 3:1) not that they were departing from their SPIRITUAL position of grace. This is a departing from the teaching of grace in the mind due to false teaching.

Note the warnings all the way from the beginning of the epistle to Galatians 5:4 is about embracing false TEACHING and rejecting theological TRUTH:

1. "pervert" the gospel - Gal. 1:7
2. "PREACH" another gospel - Gal. 1:8-9
3. Who hath "BEWITCHED" you - Gal. 3:1
4. "hinder" you - Gal. 4:7

Paul even gives Peter and Barnabas as an examples of those who like them were temporarily led astray by theological error and needed to be rebuked - Gal. 2:11-13. Was Peter and Barnabas saved, then lost and resaved???

 

Galatians 5:4

King James Version (KJV)

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

So whats Paul saying here..... he is saying if the believers allow themselves to be seduced by false teaching, they will be led away from grace into legalism. This isn't the same thing as saying that they will loose their salvation though the doctrine of legalists was indeed a false doctrine by which nobody could be saved. Paul's argument is that the Galatians Christians should stand firm in the liberty Christ has given them & not become "Burdened again by the yoke of slavery" (Gal. 5:1)

 

I think you can include Lutherans too, but that wasnt my reason for asking. As with any Arminian group, the efficacy of the atonement does not rest on Christ's saving work alone but also on the sinners faith and repentance. A RC believes that they must also inculcate himself into God's ways in-order to gain salvation. So although God's grace is attractive, it is not powerful enough to triumph over those who stubbornly refuse Him.

And now onto the next ..... whether or not a Christian will persevere to the very end is open to question, because perseverance ultimately depends on the Christian rather than on Christ. NO THANKS...... been there with the RC & done that. Human beings are sinful & they cannot determine their own spiritual destinies (not w/o screwing it up). And Im proof of that big-time.