Greetings to all my brothers in Christ. May God bring peace and grace to all here.
My inquiry has to do with, what did God know or plan before creation. Was it everything or was it only some things? Of curse a determinist will have a different perspective than a theist. But I think most would agree that God knows all things (1John 3:20). The debate is therefore only what does "all things" entail?
Some consideration from logic.
If something has purpose then the purpose of a thing's beginning is to lead to the purpose of that thing’s end. If a thing's beginning has a purpose to lead to that which is to be that thing's intended end, then all moments between that beginning and end purposely lead to that thing's end.
For example, if I envision an end and at the beginning I lay one domino on the table in a particular location, then all other domino between that beginning and intended end lead to that intended end. So, if a beginning of a thing has the purpose to lead to a particular end then all things between that beginning and end have the purpose of culminating toward that thing's end. Any variation, movement, misplacement, misangled placement and trajectory when falling can contribute to the final end not being reached. The dominos must be placed properly to have confidence that the final end, the final domino, will be reached.
What do you think about the verses above?
Keep seeking God's truth as if it were hidden treasure (Prov 2)
My inquiry has to do with, what did God know or plan before creation. Was it everything or was it only some things? Of curse a determinist will have a different perspective than a theist. But I think most would agree that God knows all things (1John 3:20). The debate is therefore only what does "all things" entail?
I would like to present some verses to be considered and explained.
In Psa 139:16, it says that "The days fashioned for me, when as yet there were none of the them." Is this an indication that God had knowledge and established the order of things before creation?
Does God know what we will say because He has "fashioned" the days (per Psa139:16)?
If nothing else, does Proverbs 16:4 indicate that God knew before anything was made that there would be those who would choose wickedness?
Does Proverbs 19:21, as well as Gen 50:20, present a dichotomy between man's plans and God's plans? And that God's plans before established would stand as what will take place?
Does Proverbs 16:9 support Proverbs 19:21 and Genesis 50:20?
Some consideration from logic.
If something has purpose then the purpose of a thing's beginning is to lead to the purpose of that thing’s end. If a thing's beginning has a purpose to lead to that which is to be that thing's intended end, then all moments between that beginning and end purposely lead to that thing's end.
For example, if I envision an end and at the beginning I lay one domino on the table in a particular location, then all other domino between that beginning and intended end lead to that intended end. So, if a beginning of a thing has the purpose to lead to a particular end then all things between that beginning and end have the purpose of culminating toward that thing's end. Any variation, movement, misplacement, misangled placement and trajectory when falling can contribute to the final end not being reached. The dominos must be placed properly to have confidence that the final end, the final domino, will be reached.
What do you think about the verses above?
Keep seeking God's truth as if it were hidden treasure (Prov 2)