Benny Hinn Discussions

[Claudia_T]

...I dont know about you guys sometimes.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Claudia_T:
... where do you supposed he is claiming to get his "power" to do these healings?...

Doesn't matter. He has none.

 

[Ray Berrian]

I saw Rev. Benny Hinn last night on television who was with a missionary from the jungles of South America. Both men were inviting men and women to accept Christ as their personal Savior.

I know no one will have a problem with them doing this.

 

[Boanerges]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Claudia_T:
... where do you supposed he is claiming to get his "power" to do these healings?...

Doesn't matter. He has none. </font>[/QUOTE]The world must have stopped turning on its axis...John and I agree.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Hmmmm....

let me get my stethoscope.

 

[Boanerges]

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
Hmmmm....

let me get my stethoscope.

check his temperature stat...Dr standing firm.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
I saw Rev. Benny Hinn last night on television who was with a missionary from the jungles of South America. Both men were inviting men and women to accept Christ as their personal Savior.

I know no one will have a problem with them doing this.

Which Jesus do you not have a problem with?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Ouch, DHK...

True, but OUCH!!

Benny Henn teaches a 9 headed God and that we all are gods ourselves, so I am quite sure the Jesus he is promoting is not the Jesus who was born to the virgin Mary, died on Mount Calvary, rose from the dead, and is sitting at the right hand of God Almighty waiting for the signal from His Father to bring the Bride home.

 

[Ray Berrian]

standingfirminChrist,

Each time you guys speak of Rev. Hinn you add one head--so let me make it a 10 headed God just to please you Baptist types.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Ray, the phrase 9 headed God came out of Benny Hinns mouth, not mine. And he also made the statement that we are all little gods. So don't say it is the Baptist who are wrong.

 

[DHK]

Editor's note: Throughout much of 2000 and 2001, Dave Joe, an attorney representing the Benny Hinn ministries repeatedly pledged to give The Christian Sentinel the answers to our questions concerning Hinn's doctrine and questionable statement he made. Some who have already been investigating Hinn told us, "don't hold your breath -- you'll never get answers." They were right. I am now asking our readers to copy these questions and mail them to Benny Hinn, asking why he never answered. If you get an answer will you let me know by writing to me?
-- Bill Alnor

Questions for Benny Hinn

1. Under "the anointing" on 12/31/89 you made several prophecies of things the Lord was showing you was to take place in the 1990s. They didn't happen. Are you therefore a false prophet that one no one should listen to when prophesying?
bullet "The Spirit of God tells me an earthquake will hit the east coast of America and destroy much in the 90s."
bullet "The Spirit tells me Fidel Castro will die in the 90's. . . Oooh! Holy Spirit just said to me it'll be worse than any death you can imagine."
bullet "The Lord also tells me to tell you in the mid-90s -- about '94 or '95, no later than that -- God will destroy the homosexual community of America . . . He will destroy it with fire."

2. You presented a prophecy given by the late Ruth Heflin to the TBN viewers on 4/20/2000. She said that Jesus "will appear physically on the platform in one of our crusades. . . and the crowds will see him on the platform." "Dear God, my hair is standing up," you add. You also said, "In a service somewhere, I don't remember where now . . . the lord appeared right in the service and the cameras caught it. We have it on tape (10/22/96). Last year you had on a guest, D. G. S. Dhinakaran of "Jesus Calls" ministry in India on your program and also on Praise the Lord who claimed to have been visited physically by Jesus and also visited him in heaven. You told your viewers to expect Jesus to physically show up at one of your upcoming crusades. After she died and a year went by, we don't hear you saying that anymore. How can you believe such things and promote this when we're told by the angels in the first chapter of Acts that "this same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." And we're told that when He returns, "every eye shall see Him." If you point out a physical Jesus in your meetings, under the Bible's standards it would be an antichrist, not the real Christ. Jesus said, "If they say he's in the inner chambers, do not believe them." Please explain yourself.

3. You said years ago that you would not pronounce anyone healed without first having a doctor substantiate that. Yet as seen on the HBO expose and elsewhere you are taking the people's word for it and presenting them as healed. You admitted on Behind-the-Scenes the other day that some healings are merely psychosomatic and people get right back in their wheelchairs after leaving your crusades. Why have you broken that promise?

4. Read the attached article written by Jackie Alnor about the Pat Robertson prophecy that you presented as trustworthy to the entire TBN audience. You told them if they did not double their giving in 1999 they would not survive the year 2000 since global disasters would hit America. HBO showed you repeat those warnings as you took up your offering. Now that 2000 has come and gone and even the non-givers are no worse off, are you going to do a public apology to TBN viewers for using a false prophecy to increase pledges? If not, why not?

5. In reference to the same article cited above, you shared a dream you had of Elijah handing you his rod and proclaimed Mark Chirona a prophet after he interpreted that to mean that your ministry would fulfill all the prophecies concerning the coming of Elijah (referred to as the spirit of Elijah by Chirona). Do you see the danger, prophetically speaking, of accepting such a designation and presuming Elijah's authority upon yourself, considering the end times prophecies of a false prophet who will speak for the antichrist? The false prophet presents the antichrist as Christ according to Bible prophecy. And as noted earlier, you anticipated presenting a physical being as Christ in your meetings.

6. On Behind the Scenes the other night (4/17/01) you seemed to contradict yourself. You said, "When God does it, it's definite (claps hands). When God heals them, they can't go right back in that wheelchair again because then God did it. And God doesn't do it and then take it back." And towards the end of that special 1-hour program you said, "You know, one more thing I would like to do because I think there are questions about why people lose healings. And I think a lot have probably questioned this since this and I'm sure even in other cases they have. Paul, I'm doing a whole teaching on what I've never done before on how to keep your healing and also why some people lose. Because I've seen this happen over the last 20-some years" Explain the contradiction.

7. You placed a curse on any man or woman who would criticize your "anointing." You found some obscure Old Testament verse to justify this. Yet on the Behind the Scenes the other night you said that the Lord was telling you to forgive your opponents and you quoted the New Testament to prove that should be your attitude. Do you now admit that you did not really hear from the Lord when you placed that curse on people in the low, gravely voice that didn't even sound like you?

8. You speak much of your personal relationship with the Holy Spirit. Yet you and your wife have both used His name in vain. You threatened your critics with a "Holy Ghost Machine Gun" and your wife smeared the Third Person of the Trinity with her comments of a "Holy Ghost Enema." How can you slur Him and claim you're in fellowship with Him at the same time?

9. In your books, especially "He Touched Me," you say that you feel the Holy Ghost outside of yourself in the room or elsewhere. Since the Bible teaches that He fills us and is "in" the believer, why does your "Holy Ghost" appear to you as an apparition, which is popular in Catholic mysticism and the occult?

10. Why don't you follow the New Testament's injunction about how to pray for the sick among us as is given in the epistle of James? We're told the sick are to call the elders to come and anoint them with oil and pray the prayer of faith and then they would recover. We do not see any "healing ministries" in the New Testament.

CHRISTIAN SENTINEL

DHK

 

[DHK]

Benny Hinn is a false prophet that preaches a false gospel, and a false Christ. The above proves it. He has been approached by many to the extent that Hinn has had his own attorney represent him (as if he cannot answer for himself when it comes to his own prophecies and theology. If he is a true man of God or prophet God why does he need an attorney present to answer some straight forward questions about what he believes (all of which have been documented)?
DHK

 

[Bible-boy]

Hello!

 

[standingfirminChrist]

[Other examples of Hinn's false healing powers: An elderly Hinn follower was turned away from one entrance to ARGO Stadium in Sacramento, CA because she had not given enough money to enter there. Later, on the stage she was "slain in the Spirit," and while she was lying on the floor a huge man, likewise "slain," landed on top of her, breaking her leg. In 1993 in Basel, Switzerland, Hinn prophesied over a man with cancer that he had many years to live. He died two days later. In Nairobi, Kenya early in May 2000, four patients released from a hospital to attend Hinn's "Miracle Crusade" died while waiting for prayer. (Source: 9/00, TBC.)]

Exerpts from:
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/hinn/general.htm

 

[Ray Berrian]

'. . . we are all little gods.'

When we received Christ as Savior and Lord we are one with Him. I Corinthians 3:23 God speaking through the Apostle Paul says, 'And ye are Christ's and Christ is God's.' Also, I Corinthians 6:17 says, 'But He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit.' And I John 3:2 says, 'Beloved, NOW are we the sons of God, and is does not yet appear what we shall be; but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.' Romans 8:29 God says that Christians are being '. . .conformed to the image of His Son . . .'

Understand, that Rev. Hinn is not too far off the mark by saying we are all little gods. Our position and relationship to him is eternal and unbreakable and he was using this allusion, idea to explain our sonship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The problem with many Christians is they do not know who they are in Christ. We are the sons and daughters of the Living God.

You guys get all bent out of shape over an example the man was trying to use. The Lord uses men who do not always speak orthodoxy because He reads their hearts and sovereignly decides to elevate them for the glory of God.

We are one in this together; there is no need for non-Penecostals to get jealous or envious of other men and women's gifts given to them from the Lord. We are not all His spiritual arms some are His legs and feet.

Yes, and being slain in the Spirit is most assuredly of the Lord. I experienced it and know the full measure of that Divine blessings and I am not a Pentecostal nor do I speak in tongues. Some of you gentlemen should not 'knock' what you have never experienced. The Apostle John experienced this in the first chapter of the Book of Revelation as did Paul.

 

[DHK]

Why do you continue to defend heretic and a false prophet? I would have thought that you would have had more discerment than that. Hinn believes in a nine-person Godhead, the divinity of man, and the humanity of Jesus divested of his divinity. What damnable heresy is this!?
DHK

 

[Bible-boy]

Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
'. . . we are all little gods.'

When we received Christ as Savior and Lord we are one with Him. I Corinthians 3:23 God speaking through the Apostle Paul says, 'And ye are Christ's and Christ is God's.' Also, I Corinthians 6:17 says, 'But He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit.' And I John 3:2 says, 'Beloved, NOW are we the sons of God, and is does not yet appear what we shall be; but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.' Romans 8:29 God says that Christians are being '. . .conformed to the image of His Son . . .'

Understand, that Rev. Hinn is not too far off the mark by saying we are all little gods. Our position and relationship to him is eternal and unbreakable and he was using this allusion, idea to explain our sonship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The problem with many Christians is they do not know who they are in Christ. We are the sons and daughters of the Living God.

You guys get all bent out of shape over an example the man was trying to use. The Lord uses men who do not always speak orthodoxy because He reads their hearts and sovereignly decides to elevate them for the glory of God.

Ray...

You really don't believe what you just wrote do you? When we preach the Word of God we are not free to use examples or draw allusions that are diametrically opposed to what the Bible actually says. Cults do that sort of thing.

When Paul taught about our sonship with Christ he never came any where close to implying that we are "little gods." He spoke clearly and referred to our adoption as sons, children of God, heirs of God, and fellow heirs with Christ (Rom. 8:12-18). He never comes close to even hinting that we are "little gods." Such a teaching (that we are little gods) is a heresy taught by the Mormons.

Originally posted by Ray Berrain:
Yes, and being slain in the Spirit is most assuredly of the Lord. I experienced it and know the full measure of that Divine blessings and I am not a Pentecostal nor do I speak in tongues. Some of you gentlemen should not 'knock' what you have never experienced. The Apostle John experienced this in the first chapter of the Book of Revelation as did Paul.

Yes, the Bible tells us that all these people fell down. However, in the "Being Slain in the Spirit?" thread we have closely examined these texts over and over and each time shown that you have to resort to eisegesis of the text in order to force it to support being slain in the Spirit (as you describe it).

Again, you agreed that eisegesis was an unacceptable hermeneutical method and that it leads to improper exposition and flawed biblical interpretation. However, when the tried and true hermeneutical method of exegesis results in a conflict with your predetermined belief system you chuck it (exegesis) out the window and embrace eisegesis so that you can maintain your presupposition regarding this issue.

Your stated belief in the principles of hermeneutics and the practical working out of your Theological position on this issue do not agree. You have given intellectual assent to the principles of sound hermeneutics and solid exegesis. However, when they result in a conflict with your presupposition on this issue you embrace eisegesis. This is a violation of the Law of Non-contradiction (to which you also previously agreed), and as such makes your entire line of argumentation here invalid.

 

[Ray Berrian]

Bibleboy,

The only thing you have done is to suggest that you have done the proper exegesis and everyone else is doing the eisegesis, or interpreting Scripture wrong.

This shows how narrow and preverted your view is in straining to say that Christians do not experience the Spirit of God in the same way as in Biblical times. Your view is another Gospel not Pentecostal people.

Your rigid view is more Pharisaical than Christian, and I mean all who think as you apparently do. Correct me if I am wrong about your narrow perspective on the deeper life in the Holy Spirit.

You try to escape the spiritual understanding by saying that Saul was unsaved at the time and that John was given a Divine revelation, thus, (you foolishly thin) that this means that every Christian who experiences the Holy Spirit in a fuller way must also reveal a new revelation. Foolishness!

Did Saul and John both have to have on the same color robe when they were dropped by the overpowering Presence of God Almight? Is this your narrow view of exegesis.

People have reported to you from various denominations of this experience with the Holy Spirit which proves that He overrides these man made boundaries, when Christ wants us to be one in Him. [John 17:11]. '. . . that Christians may be one, as We are.'

Because of your faulty interpretation you cause Christians to have division over truth that is so apparent.

 

[Bible-boy]

Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
Bibleboy,

The only thing you have done is to suggest that you have done the proper exegesis and everyone else is doing the eisegesis, or interpreting Scripture wrong.

This shows how narrow and preverted your view is in straining to say that Christians do not experience the Spirit of God in the same way as in Biblical times. Your view is another Gospel not Pentecostal people.

Your rigid view is more Pharisaical than Christian, and I mean all who think as you apparently do. Correct me if I am wrong about your narrow perspective on the deeper life in the Holy Spirit.

You try to escape the spiritual understanding by saying that Saul was unsaved at the time and that John was given a Divine revelation, thus, (you foolishly thin) that this means that every Christian who experiences the Holy Spirit in a fuller way must also reveal a new revelation. Foolishness!

Did Saul and John both have to have on the same color robe when they were dropped by the overpowering Presence of God Almight? Is this your narrow view of exegesis.

No Ray,

I showed that you claim that eisegesis is an unexceptable method of biblical interpretation, and then that in order to maintain your presupposition on this issue you depart from exegesis and embrace eisegesis. It is your hermeneutical method that is inconsistant not mine.

My point rgearding those texts is that if you are going to use them as proof texts to justify your experience, then your experience and the text had better line up. Yours examples do not. I do not say that people must receive progressive revelation in order to experience this "deeper life" to which you refer. What I said is that there is no more divine progressive revelation occurring. The canon is closed. Therefore, it does not happen anymore. This is only one facet of the texts that greatly differs from the experiences you are attempting to justify. In fact the only thing that your experiences and these text have in common is the fact that someone fell over. Surely you do not want to tell me that this single commonality is all that is necessary in order to build a doctrinal position.

Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
People have reported to you from various denominations of this experience with the Holy Spirit which proves that He overrides these man made boundaries, when Christ wants us to be one in Him. [John 17:11]. '. . . that Christians may be one, as We are.'

Because of your faulty interpretation you cause Christians to have division over truth that is so apparent.

You agreed that the Bible is the final authority and only objective arbiter of truth. However, you want to use people's subjective experience to prove your point. This is another inconsistancy in your thinking and in your Theology. When you can not demonstrate your position from the Scriptures without resorting to eisegesis you want to jump to the subjective personal experience argument. I do not accept anyone's personal experience as evidence of biblical truth unless their story lines up with the Scriptures. The examples you have provided do not line up with the Scriptures. Sorry.

However, none of this has anything to do with the topic of this thread. Please don't respond to this post in this thread. If you wish to take the slain in the Spirit debate back up please do so in that thread.

[ March 08, 2006, 09:05 AM: Message edited by: Bible-boy ]

 

[Pete]

By Ray:
Each time you guys speak of Rev. Hinn you add one head--so let me make it a 10 headed God just to please you Baptist types.

hmmm....seems like you missed my post with the direct quote from Benny on the topic on first page, and have not gone back to look at it when I've refered to it again, so here it is with Benny's "revelation knowledge' in bold.

By me:
This example of "sound doctrine Hinn style" is from Oct.13,1990.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />By Benny Hinn:
See, God the Father is a person, God the Son is a person, God the Holy Ghost is a person; but each one of them is a triune being by himself. If I can shock you and maybe I should, there’s nine of them! What did you say? Let me explain. God the Father, ladies and gentlemen, is a person with his own personal spirit, with his own personal soul and his own personal spirit body.

Hinn claimed this statement as "revelation knowledge", but when later questioned on it it turned out to be just regurgitation wreckage (why haven't I thought of that phrase before ) from the writings of Finis Dake. When the heat came on Benny quickly added a line or two that boiled down to "just joking" to explain the comments. A few weeks later though he seemed to almost suggest a "just joking" about the "just joking".</font>[/QUOTE]