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Best One-Volume Systematic Theology?

The Archangel

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No, I see no universalism in my approach. I see the Gospel presented in 1 Cor. 15 as a unit--a definition, if you will. So then if a Corinthian believer were to witness to someone about the Gospel, surely he would remember how Paul explained it, and explain it the same way, i.e., "Christ died for our sins."

It's as if I said to everyone, "Brothers, in order to get into the room with the fried chicken, the password is "It is everyone's chicken." In that case, "Brothers" and "everyone" are not the same group.

Ok. I didn't think you a universalist to begin with. While, I don't agree with your assessment, I do understand more clearly what you're saying. I hope you are well.

Blessings in Christ,

The Archangel
 

John of Japan

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Do we correct those who are not wrong?

The bible seems to make a distinction between the two.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."

Doctrine (teaching) tells us what is right.

Reproof tells us where we are not right.

Correction tells us how to get right.

Instruction tells us how to stay right. :)
Thanks. I'll ponder on this.
 

Yeshua1

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I asked you what the Gospel was. You said something about the death of Christ for sins, then directed me to Acts. You missed the Resurrection, which indeed, is preached all through Acts. (You really didn't think I had studied Acts thoroughly, having been a missionary for 33 years???)
Suit yourself. I have nothing against you--just think you need a lesson in interacting on the Baptist Board. Don't ever go assuming someone is not being spiritual simply because they don't say things like you think they should.
Same to you.
He does seem to hold to almost a primitive Baptist view on Evangelism and how to teach/preach the Gospel!
 

JonShaff

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And the Virgin Birth of Jesus allowed Him to bypass the effects of the fall and not be born with the sin nature, correct?
Christ is sinless and Perfect, He is God, He can be nothing less than perfect.

Romans 8:3
 

JonShaff

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IF Jesus had been born of the seed of Joseph, would have been a sinner though!
I think you missed the BIGGER picture. Christ is Born of God, because GOD is His Father. He is the Son of God. And that is why He is not a sinner. Yet He had the same flesh you and I have.
 

Yeshua1

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I think you missed the BIGGER picture. Christ is Born of God, because GOD is His Father. He is the Son of God. And that is why He is not a sinner. Yet He had the same flesh you and I have.
Same human flesh, NOT the same sin nature!
 

JonShaff

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Same human flesh, NOT the same sin nature!
This is kind of a side point...While i agree He did not have 'sin nature' (i believe it is more biblical to say spiritually dead--hence our need to be 'born again'), i find it funny that you claim that Christ had sin nature when He was on the cross.
 
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JonC

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IMO, noone should read Karl Barth unless they are very very solid. He is the Father of Neoorthodoxy and very wordy.

JMO
I typically agree. But with the reference I suggest i disagree (except that I think one should have a pretty good foundation before studying any systematic theology).

Too often people study to be indoctrinated rather than to truly learn and in the end they wind up looking like the theology they studied.
 

John of Japan

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He does seem to hold to almost a primitive Baptist view on Evangelism and how to teach/preach the Gospel!
Indeed. Those who deny the validity of the Great Commission for us are usually either primitive Baptist or ultra dispensationalist.
 

Yeshua1

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This is kind of a side point...While i agree He did not have 'sin nature' (i believe it is more biblical to say spiritually dead--hence our need to be 'born again'), i find it funny that you claim that Christ had sin nature when He was on the cross.
NO! rather, I claim that he who knew no sin become the sin bearer on our behalf, that he paid to God what we could not do ourselves!
 

JonShaff

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NO! rather, I claim that he who knew no sin become the sin bearer on our behalf, that he paid to God what we could not do ourselves!
So, in that he took on Sin, He took on sin nature? He became a sinner? what exactly are you saying?
 

Yeshua1

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I typically agree. But with the reference I suggest i disagree (except that I think one should have a pretty good foundation before studying any systematic theology).

Too often people study to be indoctrinated rather than to truly learn and in the end they wind up looking like the theology they studied.
Barth was not sound though on how he viewed either Election or doctrine of scripture!
 

Yeshua1

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Indeed. Those who deny the validity of the Great Commission for us are usually either primitive Baptist or ultra dispensationalist.
Hyper Calvinists also hold to no need to evangelize sinners, as the lost will be saved regardless if actually hearing the Good news!
 

Yeshua1

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So, in that he took on Sin, He took on sin nature? He became a sinner? what exactly are you saying?
No, for Jesus came in LIKENESS, not SAMENESS of human flesh!
Jesus, while on that cross, became the sin bearer, so while he never ceased to be either God or sinless, was treated by the Father as if He were!
 

JonC

Moderator
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Barth was not sound though on how he viewed either Election or doctrine of scripture!
That's not the point of the book I recommended (it wasn't about election or the doctrine of scripture).

And with Barth you sometimes have to ask "which one"? :Smile
 
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