between His death and resurrection

[Deborah B.]

Where did Jesus go after He died on the cross and before His resurrection? What is the general consensus about this?

Because of Christ,
Deborah

 

[blackbird]

He was in the presence of God the Father----"This day thou shalt be with Me in Paradise." Paradise=Heaven at the Right Hand of the Father!

 

[Dr. Bob]

But not until after He had descended to sheol/hades (spiritual abode of the dead), preached His blood, and led captivity captive to heaven.

Many church creeds say "was buried, descended into hell . . " Hell is the greek word Hades. Thankfully, some of the newer English translations actually are honest to call it that!!

 

[Deborah B.]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob:
But not until after He had descended to sheol/hades (spiritual abode of the dead), preached His blood, and led captivity captive to heaven.

Many church creeds say "was buried, descended into hell . . " Hell is the greek word Hades. Thankfully, some of the newer English translations actually are honest to call it that!!

Can you explain this passage for me, please? I am a little confused.

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Does the saved go to Hades when we die? Do we stay in Hades until His second coming? Are there different "sections" in Hades, one for the good and one for the bad for example?

Is Paradise that Jesus mentions on the cross in Hades? If this is the case, you are right, Hades is a much better translation than Hell!!!!

I am a little confused on this subject. If we, the saved, go to Hades when we die, do you think we recognize family members that are there too?

Please help me sort these matters out. My children ask me these questions all the time, and I am a little confused on what the true scriptural answer is to these questions are. Thank you!

Because of Christ,
Deborah

 

[blackbird]

Jesus' blood was preached through the Prophets starting with Moses! Why go to hell and preach it again???

 

[Dr. Bob]

Hey, that's what Jesus said. He was going to preach it and He did!

Sheol (Heb) is the abode of the dead. Righteous dead in one side, great gulf, then unrighteous dead on the other.

Bad side is called Hades (Grk); Good side is called Paradise, Abraham's bosom. See story of Lazarus and rich man.

So Jesus went to Sheol, and showed His blood. Eph 4 "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things."

 

[Dr. Bob]

Oops. Forgot this Scripture:

I Pet 3 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison . . "

Interesting topic to discuss, but I'm not dogmatic on any of it!!

 

[menageriekeeper]

All right now Dr. Bob, you went and confused me.

I was taught that during those three days Christ decended into Hades and stayed there long enough to gain the control of death and hell. Where he spent the rest of the time, if there was time left over was unclear.

However, I was taught that Christ did not appear in God's presence until after he had risen from the grave. Hence the reason he told Mary not to touch him him, John 20:17.

Also I thought the word gehenna was the word used to describe the fiery hell and Hades was a pagan reference misused to be interchangable with the English word hell.

 

[James_Newman]

Deborah, yes there will be Christians in hell during the 1000 yr kingdom, those who did not see fit to obey Christ and overcome sin in this life. This is clearly taught, but is the most avoided teaching on the face of the planet. As Dr. Bob points out, there was a hot side and a cool side. Many say paradise is in heaven now, although I couldn't give you a scripture to back that up off the top of my head. But as Christians, we are going to stand before our Lord at the judgment seat of Christ and be judged for our works (1Cor 3). We are not guaranteed entrance into the kingdom, but are told we must work for that reward. Nevertheless, we shall be saved (yet so as by fire...)

 

[Daniel Dunivan]

Scripture is silent on this question. If it made no difference to the theology of the gospels, then our theology should be ok without having to map it all out (and if it requires such then it is by necessity suspect and unbiblical). Unless you opt for a God that enjoys seeing us put jigsaw puzzles together. How amusing!

Grace and Peace, Danny

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob:
Oops. Forgot this Scripture:

I Pet 3 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison . . "

Interesting topic to discuss, but I'm not dogmatic on any of it!!

Dr. Bob, I'm sure you know there are about 4 different takes on this passage. Some believe it means that the spirit of Christ was in Noah preaching to those about to be overcome by the Flood. Then there are 2 other interpretations.

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by menageriekeeper:
All right now Dr. Bob, you went and confused me.

I was taught that during those three days Christ decended into Hades and stayed there long enough to gain the control of death and hell. Where he spent the rest of the time, if there was time left over was unclear.

However, I was taught that Christ did not appear in God's presence until after he had risen from the grave. Hence the reason he told Mary not to touch him him, John 20:17.

The first part sounds like a Word Faith teaching!

Christ did not need to "regain control of hell." God is always in charge, but WF diminishes God and Christ and teaches that God lost control of his rule over earth after Adam and Eve sinned. They also teach that Jesus came into being because of God's positive confession of the Savior needed to help God get the world back from Satan.

Jesus did not tell Mary not to touch Him, but to not cling to Him. He had things to do and also He was not going to stay on earth except for that short time until his Ascension.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Deborah B.:
Where did Jesus go after He died on the cross and before His resurrection? What is the general consensus about this?

I think he went to Sheol (in Greek, Hades) to collect the worthy souls (imo, Abraham's bosom) of those who had died before and take them to Heaven after his resurrection. No firm scriptural support for this, just my $.02 and some scriptural implication.

 

[menageriekeeper]

Word of What!?

You must not realize how old I am. When I was taught these things there was no such thing as Word of Faith.

I was raised in a Missionary baptist church(saved and baptised there) and then when we moved south we attended first a SBC and then a Freewill Baptist Church. The old Sword of the Lord was read weekly and John R. Rice Sr. was held in great respect.

These are the things I was taught then by them and my father(who despite his faults was careful to teach me the Word). Never have needed to question them until this caught my eye. It'll take a bit but I'll see if I can locate where he/we came by this idea. Maybe sometime tomorrow, I'm exhausted tonight.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Originally posted by James Newman:
there will be Christians in hell during the 1000 yr kingdom

And that is garbage, nonsense and ludicrous. (Trying not to break my own rules about decrying false doctrine, but this is making it hard.)

Stay away from Baptist sites, brother. Your little sect is way too Branch Davidian for me.

 

[Frogman]

Dr. Bob,
You don't mean that Hell and Hades are the same place, do you?

If you do, do you believe that those unbelievers in Hell who were preached the blood of Christ by Christ were provided a 'second' chance?

Bro. Dallas

 

[Dr. Bob]

To call "hades" (God's chosen Word) as "hell" (AV translator's chosen word) has led to a lot of confusion. Like calling demons "devils".

I equate eternal hell with the Lake of Fire, not with sheol/hades.

 

[Frogman]

So you are not saying that Christ provided an opportunity for the lost after death for those lost in Hades.

I know some pentecostals and UMC members who believe this is what is meant by '...and lead captivity captive..'

I disagree with that notion.

I can agree with your statement. It would [if I am thinking rightly about it] mean that Christ preached to the OT believers who died looking for the promise...am I right?

I said I can agree with this, although I have never thought about it this way.

Bro. Dallas

 

[wopik]

I Pet 3 ".... by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison . . "

Interesting topic to discuss, but I'm not dogmatic on any of it!!

another take:

It seems to me that the most natural and obvious interpretation is to refer it to those who were then dead, to whom the gospel had been preached when living, and who had become true Christians.


Peter speaks of them as they were when he wrote; not as they had been, or were at the time when the message was preached to them.

The idea is, that to those spirits who were then in prison who had formerly lived in the days of Noah, the message had been in fact delivered. It was not necessary to speak of them precisely as they were at the time when it was delivered, but only in such a way as to identify them.