Between two Robbers...

[Van]

You're attempting to make a distinction without a difference, and your response fails to take any responsibility for the multiplied posts quoted above. Your claim about God crediting faith in connection with salvation is manifestly wrong, and you offer not a single valid passage of Scripture to support it.

Faith at the point of salvation is never "credited as righteousness" by God, period. Not before, not during, not after. There is no passage of Scripture that teaches your utterly bogus assertion. Any statement about "credit" from God for faith associated with salvation is erroneous and reflects a fundamental ignorance of what Scripture actually teaches. The only faith that God "credits" toward righteousness is living faith, walking by faith, overcoming by faith - faith expressed in the promises of God by believers AFTER salvation. This is the faith Abraham expressed, this is the faith the Bible says God credited as righteousness, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the point of salvation, contrary to your oft-repeated bogosities about credit related to faith at salvation. The "falsehood" here is entirely yours, my friend.

Yet another you, you,you post. You are ... something bad. This is all they have folks, disinformation on display. Just another taint so and Van is rotten for saying so post.

And note all the scripture I used to support the fact God credits our faith as righteousness, is claimed to be, wait for it, "invalid." As if a Calvinist denier has been appointed hall monitor.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 says God chooses individuals for salvation through faith in the truth. Now this false teacher claims God chooses us by reason of faith He rejects, such as that of the second or third soils of Matthew 13. I kid you not, this is the sort of tommy rot up with I must put.

And finally, we are saved by grace "through" or by reason of faith, thus our faith provided (if credited by God as righteousness) our access to the grace in which we stand. Calvinism denies we are saved through faith, they rewrite the many verses to say saved and given faith. Romans 5:2 Pay no attention to those who nullify the word of God...

 

[Van]

Pay no attention to those who rewrite Romans 3:25, Romans 3:30, Romans 3:31, Galatians 3:26, Ephesians 2:8 and on and on. To be saved through faith requires that faith (as credited to us by God as righteousness) provided the reason or basis for God's gracious action.

The thieves have been caught, and tried, and found guilty by reason of scripture, Easy believism is unbiblical false doctrine, and Impossible Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.

 

[37818]

Easy believism is unbiblical false doctrine, and Impossible Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.

As much as I like @Van. On this matter I am persuaded that @Van does not understand what he is claiming. But he, I am sure he honestly thinks he does.

His rant, "Easy Believism is a false doctrine" is no better than saying any other named teaching that one dos not agree with is a false teaching.

Easy, Matthew 11:30.
Believism(s), John 3:16, Romans 4:5, etc.

 

[Van]

As much as I like @Van. On this matter I am persuaded that @Van does not understand what he is claiming. But he, I am sure he honestly thinks he does.

His rant, "Easy Believism is a false doctrine" is no better than saying any other named teaching that one dos not agree with is a false teaching.

Easy, Matthew 11:30.
Believism(s), John 3:16, Romans 4:5, etc.

Always nice to see a tactic evolve. Now I am likeable, but sincerely wrong.

Folks, ask yourselves why only "few" find the narrow gate that leads to life, if it was easy?
And ask yourselves why those few do find the narrow gate if entry was impossible. Matthew 7:13-14, Luke 13:23-24

And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them,
“Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

The thieves have been caught, and tried, and found guilty by reason of scripture, Easy believism is unbiblical false doctrine, and Impossible Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.

 

[37818]

. . . ask yourselves why only "few" find the narrow gate that leads to life, if it was easy?

The key is "few" "find" the way. The fact is most world religions in the name of even Christianity teach some kind of faith plus works, . Jesus said of the scribes and the Pharisees, "shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for neither suffer them that are entering to go in." That salvaiton is not easy and never sure.

 

[Tsalagi]

And note all the scripture I used to support the fact God credits our faith as righteousness, is claimed to be, wait for it, "invalid."

Scripture is never invalid, but someone's interpretation and application of it certainly can be. No defense of the erroneous confusion of Abraham's faith in God's promise (and the associated crediting of righteousness to Abraham by God) with initial salvation has been offered here. That, of course, is because no scriptural defense can be offered; instead we get a lot of name-calling and deflection.

 

[Tsalagi]

Folks, ask yourselves why only "few" find the narrow gate that leads to life, if it was easy?

Already asked and answered. Jesus is not talking about salvation.

 

[Van]

Scripture is never invalid, but someone's interpretation and application of it certainly can be. No defense of the erroneous confusion of Abraham's faith in God's promise (and the associated crediting of righteousness to Abraham by God) with initial salvation has been offered here. That, of course, is because no scriptural defense can be offered; instead we get a lot of name-calling and deflection.

On and on folks, one bogus argument after another, denying biblical truths.

1) Pay no attention to those who claim God does not choose those whose faith He credits as righteousness, teaching the bogus view God chooses those whose faith He did not credit as righteousness. Hogwash

2) Scripture says Abraham gained approval by faith, so pay no attention to those who claim Abraham gained approval by uncredited faith.

3) Pay no attention to those who reverse the charges.

 

[Van]

Already asked and answered. Jesus is not talking about salvation.

Straight-up denial of biblical truth from our contextual expert.

 

[37818]

Easy Believism has not been shown to be unBiblical. The claim has been made that it is. The claims has not refuted the Biblical bases, Matthew 11:30, John 3:16.

 

[Tsalagi]

1) Pay no attention to those who claim God does not choose those whose faith He credits as righteousness, teaching the bogus view God chooses those whose faith He did not credit as righteousness. Hogwash

Totally agree with you there, although I haven't seen anyone present such a view here.

2) Scripture says Abraham gained approval by faith, so pay no attention to those who claim Abraham gained approval by uncredited faith.

Again, happy to agree, but no such claim has been made. Instead of attacking straw men, why not answer the challenges to your view that were actually presented?

3) Pay no attention to those who reverse the charges.

I'd rather hear you explain how Abraham's faith in God's promise of innumerable descendants in Genesis 15:6 has anything at all to do with faith at the point of salvation, which is the point where you think credit is assigned by God. You use what the Bible says about Abraham's example to make a "credit" claim about salvation faith, yet the Scriptures clearly show that Abraham was already saved, and had been a believer for many years before his faith in God's promise about descendants was accounted to him for righteousness. You don't offer any biblical support for faith being credited for righteousness at salvation.

 

[Tsalagi]

Straight-up denial of biblical truth from our contextual expert.

Accusation without explanation. Not hard to see why, no valid arguments being available.

 

[Van]

Accusation without explanation. Not hard to see why, no valid arguments being available.

Folks, pay no attention to naysayers, who deny their own views, such God chooses those whose faith He rejects.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 says God chooses individuals for salvation through faith in the truth. Now this false teacher claims God chooses us by reason of faith He rejects, such as that of the second or third soils of Matthew 13. I kid you not, this is the sort of tommy rot up with I must put.

And finally, we are saved by grace "through" or by reason of faith, thus our faith provided (if credited by God as righteousness) our access to the grace in which we stand. Calvinism denies we are saved through faith, they rewrite the many verses to say saved and given faith. Romans 5:2 Pay no attention to those who nullify the word of God...
Pay no attention to those who rewrite Romans 3:25, Romans 3:30, Romans 3:31, Galatians 3:26, Ephesians 2:8 and on and on. To be saved through faith requires that faith (as credited to us by God as righteousness) provided the reason or basis for God's gracious action.

The thieves have been caught, and tried, and found guilty by reason of scripture, Easy believism is unbiblical false doctrine, and Impossible Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.

 

[Van]

I'd rather hear you explain how Abraham's faith in God's promise of innumerable descendants in Genesis 15:6 has anything at all to do with faith at the point of salvation,...

Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.

Did anyone say Abraham's faith in innumerable descendants was saving faith? Abraham's worthless filthy rag faith in God is how Abraham gained approval (Hebrews 112) but had he received God's promises when He died, did he

 

[Tsalagi]

Folks, pay no attention to naysayers, who deny their own views, such God chooses those whose faith He rejects.
Now this false teacher claims God chooses us by reason of faith He rejects, such as that of the second or third soils of Matthew 13. I kid you not, this is the sort of tommy rot up with I must put.

And finally, we are saved by grace "through" or by reason of faith, thus our faith provided (if credited by God as righteousness) our access to the grace in which we stand. Calvinism denies we are saved through faith, they rewrite the many verses to say saved and given faith. Romans 5:2 Pay no attention to those who nullify the word of God...
Pay no attention to those who rewrite Romans 3:25, Romans 3:30, Romans 3:31, Galatians 3:26, Ephesians 2:8 and on and on. To be saved through faith requires that faith (as credited to us by God as righteousness) provided the reason or basis for God's gracious action.

The thieves have been caught, and tried, and found guilty by reason of scripture, Easy believism is unbiblical false doctrine, and Impossible Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.

I have never claimed God "chooses us by reason of our faith." God predicates salvation on whether or not we choose to receive His grace through belief in His Son. I specifically stated this to AustinC in the Balaam thread last month. Do you disagree?

Falsely attributing words and ideas to someone and then branding them a false teacher is shameful.

 

[Tsalagi]

Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.

Did anyone say Abraham's faith in innumerable descendants was saving faith? Abraham's worthless filthy rag faith in God is how Abraham gained approval (Hebrews 112) but had he received God's promises when He died, did he

You seem to be trying to say something here but I can't figure out what it is.

If you agree that the faith of Abraham credited by God as righteousness was not his saving faith, then your oft-repeated claim that saving faith gets credit for righteousness needs other Scriptures than those talking about Abraham for support. Not holding my breath waiting for you to quote them, since there aren't any. Your claims on this score are clearly unbiblical and therefore wrong.

 

[Van]

You seem to be trying to say something here but I can't figure out what it is.

If you agree that the faith of Abraham credited by God as righteousness was not his saving faith, then your oft-repeated claim that saving faith gets credit for righteousness needs other Scriptures than those talking about Abraham for support. Not holding my breath waiting for you to quote them, since there aren't any. Your claims on this score are clearly unbiblical and therefore wrong.

Ask yourselves why no quote provided mentioned "saving faith" and why our worthless filthy rag faith was not addressed as my actual position? Obfuscation on display

Also was Romans 4:23-25 addressed, where our faith, as credited by God as righteousness is taught. Was some other benefit provided, other than our election to salvation? Nope.

On and on, folks, on and on this poster simply denies one scripture after another without providing an alternate view of the text.

It is like the guy who knows what did not happen, but does not know what happened.

 

[Van]

I have never claimed God "chooses us by reason of our faith." God predicates salvation on whether or not we choose to receive His grace through belief in His Son. I specifically stated this to AustinC in the Balaam thread last month. Do you disagree?

Falsely attributing words and ideas to someone and then branding them a false teacher is shameful.

On and on, folks, one absurd claim after another.
Did I say Tsalage said God chooses us by reason of our faith? No quote will be forthcoming. This false teacher is shameful and unrepentant.

 

[Tsalagi]

Ask yourselves why no quote provided mentioned "saving faith" and why our worthless filthy rag faith was not addressed as my actual position? Obfuscation on display

What I am asking myself is why every claim of yours that I quotedc makes direct reference to faith at the point of salvation, but you refuse to take responsibility for your words and are desperate to avoid addressing their substance. You describe saving faith in every one of those posts and link it to credit for righteousness. The Bible never says saving faith (faith at the point of salvation, or however else you choose to describe it) is credited. Feel free to point to any verse of Scripture that says otherwise. No verse alluding to Abraham's faith in Genesis 15:6 qualifies, sorry.

Also was Romans 4:23-25 addressed, where our faith, as credited by God as righteousness is taught. Was some other benefit provided, other than our election to salvation? Nope.

Perhaps you are not reading my posts before you reply to them. I have repeatedly addressed the faith of Abraham which is referenced in Romans 4:23-25 and challenged you to show how it relates to the point of salvation, which is what all your quoted posts talk about. You keep tap dancing away from that challenge, "folks."

 

[Tsalagi]

On and on, folks, one absurd claim after another.
Did I say Tsalage said God chooses us by reason of our faith? No quote will be forthcoming. This false teacher is shameful and unrepentant.

I don't appreciate being called a false teacher, or the other unkind adjectives you are so quick to apply to those who differ with you. You might review Matthew 7:1-3 for your next devotional time, my friend.

Replying to my post you said, "Pay no attention to naysayers, who deny their own views, such God chooses those whose faith He rejects. Now this false teacher claims God chooses us by reason of faith He rejects." You attribute "rejects" to me twice although I never used the word or the concept. You want to quibble about exact quotes like "saving faith," but only in one direction. There's a name for that practice, it starts with "h" and can be found in the context of the passage above.