Beware these movements in the church

[Marcia]

Doesn't Amil teachings fall within Kingdom Now teaching to some degree?

No, I don't think so. I don't think they believe they will bring about the Kingdom in order for Jesus to come back.

 

[Marcia]

wow, really, how do we know if this is happening in our own churches. I mean, we don't attend every class, and right now we don't have a pastor, our interim is a theology prefessor though. Not to mention, I am not entirely sure soem of this, or something similar was starting in our old church, we knew something was wrong, something was happening, weren't exactly sure what.

That's what happened with my friends. They knew something was wrong but it was hard to pin it down. In one case, it was something a SS teacher taught that my friend knew was from NAR/Kingdom Now teaching. She brought it up to elders and the pastor and they did nothing. So they let the teacher go on and did not stop it. Eventually, more of this kind of teaching got in, and my friend finally left.

In another church, one of the leaders came back from visiting an NAR church, though my friends were unaware of what this was. They noticed the difference and strange teachings and researched, and discovered the source. But the pastor was going along with it, so after a time of trying to correct things, they left.

 

[Marcia]

That's protestantism for you...thank God I found the Orthodox Church, I'll leave the loonies to you guys...

In XC
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No loonies in the Orthodox Church? :tongue3:

I don't think you can blame Protestantism. False teachings, cults, and cultic teachings have been around since the early church.

 

[DHK]

That's protestantism for you...thank God I found the Orthodox Church, I'll leave the loonies to you guys...

In XC
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How ironic.
The Orthodox Church is NOT "orthodox."

 

[InChrist]

No, I don't think so. I don't think they believe they will bring about the Kingdom in order for Jesus to come back.

Well Kingdom Now means literally that they believe we are in the Kingdom now. They do not believe in the literal rule and reign of Christ on earth (neither do Amil or Post-Mil adherants from what I understand). They don't believe that the world is going to get worse before it gets better. They believe that we advance the Kingdom of God through "Christianizing" the world by the spreading of the Gospel. However, the gospel that they spread is not 1. Jesus died, 2. Jesus was buried, 3. Jesus rose again (in the flesh) on the third day and 4. He's coming again (in the flesh).

While they may teach that salvation is through Jesus Christ, their gospel is social (a generalisation here, as there are weaker and stronger views on this depending on the Church). It is about bettering the planet earth. It is about equality for all. And unity with all faiths (which can only happen through watering down the true gospel). They believe that we are the King's children, part of the Kingdom, and therefore are entitled to prosperity, wealth, health, authority and devine blessing. As children of the King we should be infiltrating all arenas of life; political, religious, educational, environmental, medical, entertainment etc.

Kingdom Now doctrine has no place for Israel's future as part of God's economy. They place Israel and the Church into one group. Amil and Post-Mil also do this.

Kingdom Now doctrine also places high importance on visions, dreams, manifestations of the Spirit, miracles, signs and wonders due to the fact that they mistakenly take Scriptures meant for Israel's future during the Tribulation and in Jesus Christ's earthly Kingdom and apply them to the Church.

Kingdom Now doctrine holds that Jesus Christ will come back AFTER the millennium and the end of the age.

These are just some similarities that I see between Kingdom Now theology and the Amil / Post-Mil stances

 

[TCGreek]

Bad movements within the church. They list Promise Keepers and I'm not sure about them - I've heard good and bad, but the others are definitely a problem.
http://www.moriel.org/articles/disce..._in_church.htm



I'm posting this because the Christian community seems largely unaware of the Latter Rain, Dominion, and Kansas City Prophet movements, which also overlap with the New Apostolic Reformation.

I say beware of those who love to make these kind of lists.

 

[FriendofSpurgeon]

Doesn't Amil teachings fall within Kingdom Now teaching to some degree?

Short answer: No. Most of Christendom falls within an Amil view.

 

[InChrist]

Short answer: No. Most of Christendom falls within an Amil view.

Actually you are right. That is the better way to phrase it. Thank you.

 

[Marcia]

I say beware of those who love to make these kind of lists.

Really? Why? We are supposed to expose false teachings.

 

[Marcia]

Well Kingdom Now means literally that they believe we are in the Kingdom now. They do not believe in the literal rule and reign of Christ on earth (neither do Amil or Post-Mil adherants from what I understand). They don't believe that the world is going to get worse before it gets better. They believe that we advance the Kingdom of God through "Christianizing" the world by the spreading of the Gospel. However, the gospel that they spread is not 1. Jesus died, 2. Jesus was buried, 3. Jesus rose again (in the flesh) on the third day and 4. He's coming again (in the flesh).

While they may teach that salvation is through Jesus Christ, their gospel is social (a generalisation here, as there are weaker and stronger views on this depending on the Church). It is about bettering the planet earth. It is about equality for all. And unity with all faiths (which can only happen through watering down the true gospel). They believe that we are the King's children, part of the Kingdom, and therefore are entitled to prosperity, wealth, health, authority and devine blessing. As children of the King we should be infiltrating all arenas of life; political, religious, educational, environmental, medical, entertainment etc.

Kingdom Now doctrine has no place for Israel's future as part of God's economy. They place Israel and the Church into one group. Amil and Post-Mil also do this.

Kingdom Now doctrine also places high importance on visions, dreams, manifestations of the Spirit, miracles, signs and wonders due to the fact that they mistakenly take Scriptures meant for Israel's future during the Tribulation and in Jesus Christ's earthly Kingdom and apply them to the Church.

Kingdom Now doctrine holds that Jesus Christ will come back AFTER the millennium and the end of the age.

These are just some similarities that I see between Kingdom Now theology and the Amil / Post-Mil stances

Okay, thanks.

Do Amils agree with this assessment?

 

[Marcia]

Short answer: No. Most of Christendom falls within an Amil view.

That doesn't make it right, however.

Also, didn't the Reformers carry on the amil view from the Roman Catholic church?

 

[TCGreek]

Really? Why? We are supposed to expose false teachings.

How come no baptist on the list?

Btw, What do you call false teachings?

 

[InChrist]

How come no baptist on the list?

There are not too many baptists (yet) who are leading proponents of these doctrines as it has come through the Charismatic doors. However, there are many baptist churches falling into line with their teachings (at least they are here in Australia) mainly because of their stance concerning the Rapture, the Tribulation, the Millennial Kingdom and the future reign of Christ. As far as I understand it (and I'm happy to be corrected), if you are of an Amil or Post-Mil persuasion then you are more inclined to fall into this line of thinking.

Kingdom Now is now one of the most powerful and influential movements in the Church today, but this does not make it right. History shows that true biblical Christianity has always been the minority religion, so popularity does not equate truth.

 

[TCGreek]

There are not too many baptists (yet) who are leading proponents of these doctrines as it has come through the Charismatic doors. However, there are many baptist churches falling into line with their teachings (at least they are here in Australia) mainly because of their stance concerning the Rapture, the Tribulation, the Millennial Kingdom and the future reign of Christ. As far as I understand it (and I'm happy to be corrected), if you are of an Amil or Post-Mil persuasion then you are more inclined to fall into this line of thinking.

Kingdom Now is now one of the most powerful and influential movements in the Church today, but this does not make it right. History shows that true biblical Christianity has always been the minority religion, so popularity does not equate truth.

So what is false about being charismatic?

What is false about being Amil or Postmil?

 

[Marcia]

How come no baptist on the list?

Btw, What do you call false teachings?

What do you mean why no baptist? Aren't you a baptist? You're posting in the Baptist forums.

This is a list of some movements in the church with false teachings. Did you look at it and read some of what they teach? Did you read my post on page one that delineates some of these teachings?

If I say that my revelation from God supersedes the Bible or that God can't act unless I pray, would you call that a false teaching? I would. That's what some in one of those movements teach.

You don't think Word Faith is false teaching? If not, let me know and I can give you some examples. Wait, here's a couple of theirs: Jesus had to go to hell and fight Satan to pay for sins. God has a body. We are little gods.

False enough for you?

 

[Marcia]

So what is false about being charismatic?

What is false about being Amil or Postmil?

The list has nothing on it about charismatic or amil/postmil views.

Please look at the OP before you start attacking something you clearly have not read.

 

[TCGreek]

What do you mean why no baptist? Aren't you a baptist? You're posting in the Baptist forums.

This is a list of some movements in the church with false teachings. Did you look at it and read some of what they teach? Did you read my post on page one that delineates some of these teachings?

If I say that my revelation from God supersedes the Bible or that God can't act unless I pray, would you call that a false teaching? I would. That's what some in one of those movements teach.

You don't think Word Faith is false teaching? If not, let me know and I can give you some examples. Wait, here's a couple of theirs: Jesus had to go to hell and fight Satan to pay for sins. God has a body. We are little gods.

False enough for you?

I'm a Southern Baptist ordained Pastor.

I'm not one to point fingers.

Baptists have no copyright on truth and salvation.

Btw, there are all stripes of baptists out there.

Some baptists think baptists who are calvinists are false teachers.

 

[Amy.G]

I say beware of those who love to make these kind of lists.

I thank God for people like Marcia who are the watchmen (or women ) on the wall.

False teachings seem to be growing like a cancer these days.


Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

 

[TCGreek]

The list has nothing on it about charismatic or amil/postmil views.

Please look at the OP before you start attacking something you clearly have not read.

I was asking InChrist a few questions based on his post.

 

[TCGreek]

I thank God for people like Marcia who are the watchmen (or women ) on the wall.

False teachings seem to be growing like a cancer these days.


Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

The finer points of theoloy, I say.