BF&M 1963 and Hobbs

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris Temple:


And here is the crux of the matter; a rejection of total depravity. It always is.

Genesis 6:5 (ESV)
The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

John 14:17 (ESV)
even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

Romans 6:17 (ESV)
But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed,

Romans 7:5 (ESV)
For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.

Romans 8:7-8 (ESV)
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. [8] Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

1 Cor. 2:14 (ESV)
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

Ephes. 2:1-3 (ESV)
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
[2] in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— [3] among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

Ephes. 2:11-12 (ESV)
Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— [12] remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

If they are out of context implied proofs of total depravity, I'd really like to see your definition of explicit.

[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: Chris Temple ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kinda putting the "Cart before the horse", aren't you?

You have to be saved "FIRST" before you're "predestined" to receive anything from God.

God doesn't even so much as Chastise sinners.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S. Baptist:


Kinda putting the "Cart before the horse", aren't you?

You have to be saved "FIRST" before you're "predestined" to receive anything from God.

God doesn't even so much as Chastise sinners.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

S. Baptist,

If you are going to participate here, please direct your comments to the topic at hand. Here, you have failed in two areas.

1. This thread is about "BF&M1963 and Hobbs," something right in the title. Your comments have nothing to do with that.

2. Chris's post grew out of a comment on the BF&M1963 addressing total depravity. You did not comment on total depravity; you changed it to predestination.

In the future, please confine your comments to the topic at hand, or to a legitimate extension of the topic. If you wish to discuss predestination, start your own thread.

Larry

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S. Baptist:
[QB]

Kinda putting the "Cart before the horse", aren't you?

You have to be saved "FIRST" before you're "predestined" to receive anything from God. QB]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are predestined to salvation, then you are saved.

What part of predestined don't you understand?

 

[Post by S. Baptist deleted]

Start a thread if you want to discuss something other than the BF&M 1963 and Hobbs

[ December 21, 2001: Message edited by: Pastor Larry ]