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Biblical Assurance of Salvation

DHK

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How do you interpret philippians 2:12?

Also why do true believers have doubts?

Why did john write a letter to give assurance to believers rather than refering them to one section in His gospel?
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. (Philippians 2:12-13)
--To work out means to carry out to its full completion. It has to do with sanctification, not justification. Verse 13 clarifies it even more. As we yield ourselves to God, He works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure. We are working out our own salvation, bringing it into maturity or completion, as we yield to him. The Calvinist would put the emphasis on we are allowing God to work out our salvation. That is true, providing we yield ourselves to Him.

Believers will have doubts when they wander away from the Word, its promises, God's will for their lives, their relationship with Christ, etc. It is sin that separates us from God. The first epistle of John was written to assure us how we can know that we are saved. What are the assurances that a saved person has. That is why the word "know" is a key word in the epistle.
 

freeatlast

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I went a reread it. It's still very hard hearted of you to state in so many words or less that I'm not saved at all. Legalism must be your cup of tea because no one is sinnless not even you.

It is our spirit that is the new creature in Christ Jesus. Our flesh is still the old man. When we walk in the Spirit, we cannot sin. In Christ Jesus we cannot sin. Read Romans chapters 7 and 8.

"Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me."

"For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." Romans 7: 17-25
"[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8: 1-2
If we ever do sin, it's because we get in the flesh, walk in the flesh, and allow ourselves to be tempted and drawn away of our own lusts, which brings forth sin. Read James chapter 1.

"Blessed [is] the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren." James 1: 12-16
I hope you have peace.

MB

What are you talking about!? When did I ever say that you are not saved? When did I say anyone was sinless? Are you related to Ann? Perhaps her brother or something?

Also Romans 7 is dealing with a Jew who was trying to satisfy the law. Romans 8 is tell him how to be free from that battle with the law. You still did not click on that link did you?
 

freeatlast

New Member
Jn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

The words of Jesus are clear, anyone who believes on him has life and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death to life.

The problem is that people do not know if they have believed. Why? Because faith has been turned into some magical, mystical essence that people cannot possibly understand. This is the work of the devil.

Let me ask you, do you not know if you have trusted or believed someone? For example, let's say your neighbor asks to borrow your car for an emergency. You hand your neighbor your keys and he drives off. Have you trusted your neighbor? Of course, and no one would doubt that they have trusted or believed their neighbor in this sort of example. Do you have to look inside yourself, or look for some continuous confidence to know you have trusted your neighbor? No. You know for an absolute fact you have trusted or believed your neighbor. It is an act, it is a choice you knowingly and deliberately made. It is not some magical, mystical thing.

Another example, you go to the doctor. He examines you and finds you have a brain tumor. He tells you that if not treated immediately, you will die in several weeks. Then the doctor explains that if you trust him, he can safely operate on your brain and remove the tumor. He shows you pictures of dozens of persons he has safely treated for a like condition.

So, you go in on the appointed day. You allow the doctor to put you to sleep and operate on your brain. He safely removes the tumor and in a few weeks you are completely recovered.

Now, did you trust your doctor? Of course. Is there any doubt in your mind that you trusted and believed your doctor? None. Trust is a decision you consciously and deliberately make, again, it is not some magical feeling, or this continuous confidence without doubt. You probably would have a few fears before you allowed the doctor to operate, does that negate that you trusted him and allowed him to operate on you? Not at all.

People in the scriptures KNEW when they had believed.

Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Notice Paul's question in vs. 2, he asked whether these disciples had received the Holy Spirit since they believed. Did they say, "We don't know, we don't know what it means to believe, how do we know if we have believed?". No, they KNEW they had believed.

Believeing is a committal, it is trusting your soul into Jesus's hands and depending on him to save you, just as you trust a doctor to operate on you, you place your life in his hands.

There are many ways believeing is described in scripture. It is described as "coming" to Jesus. If a person comes to Christ in their heart desiring that he save them, this is trust, this is believing. The scriptures describe believeing as "calling" on Jesus. Whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. When you cry out to Jesus, you have placed the matter of your salvation completely in his hands, you are depending or relying on him only to save you.

Can you know if you have cried out to Jesus in your heart to save you? Of course. It is not some magical mystical thing, it is a decision of the will to trust or depend on Jesus alone for salvation.

It is these folks that make faith into some mystical essence that has folks all mixed up. You can KNOW if you have believed on Jesus, and if you have, you have everlasting life according to God's word.

Winn you are using sight examples against faith examples and they do not work. You saw your friend drive off, and you see the Doctor, and by the way just because you allow them to carry out what you mentioned does not mean you trust them without a doubt. You may worry about the neighbor wrecking your car and the Doc making a mistake.

Also the only way to have biblical assurance is for God Himself to give it through the Spirit and He only does that to those who are doing what He says.

1 John 2:3-6 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

1 John 3:7-10 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth (practices) righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth (practices) sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not (practice) righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Then finally the knowing is sealed in assurance by the Spirit and He only does it if the person is doing what it mentioned above;
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Knowing we are saved is not self generated. We do not have assurance because we believe in Jesus. Unless it comes from the Spirit because of all the things mentioned it is a false assurance like those of Matt 5.
 

Aaron

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I went a reread it. It's still very hard hearted of you to state in so many words or less that I'm not saved at all. Legalism must be your cup of tea because no one is sinnless not even you.

It is our spirit that is the new creature in Christ Jesus. Our flesh is still the old man. When we walk in the Spirit, we cannot sin. In Christ Jesus we cannot sin. Read Romans chapters 7 and 8.

"Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me."

"For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." Romans 7: 17-25
"[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8: 1-2
If we ever do sin, it's because we get in the flesh, walk in the flesh, and allow ourselves to be tempted and drawn away of our own lusts, which brings forth sin. Read James chapter 1.

"Blessed [is] the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren." James 1: 12-16
I hope you have peace.

MB
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