Biblical vs Secular Definitions of English Words

[George Antonios]

Apostate Judaism was the great city, 'Mystery Babylon':

"apostate Judaism" is not a "city".
Cities are things like: Rome, Tyre, Nineveh, New York, Singapore, Tokyo, Islamabad, Montreal, Berlin, Lima, Stockholm, Beirut...you know...cities.

 

[Van]

A few more "special words" that mean (or meant in the past) one thing in a dictionary, but something else according to one's religious dogma.

1) Predestination - refers to God deciding to bring about a future event. However, some think the word means God chose certain individuals before creation for salvation.

2) Atonement - refers to reconciliation. However, some think the word refers to Christ's sacrifice on the cross. When the KJV used atonement, it meant reconciliation, however now dictionaries say that meaning is archaic. JonC addressed this drift in post #19.

 

[kyredneck]

I think you are correct, but does this mean it applies to current day Jerusalem, or did it already happen and apply to Jerusalem in 70 AD?

IMHO, Emancipation is the fulfillment of Revelation 20:7. Still, very much alive and ongoing. The struggle we have now is the camp of the saints being encompassed Revelation 20:9. But no worries, fire from heaven is going to devour the adversaries.

 

[kyredneck]

"apostate Judaism" is not a "city".
Cities are things like: Rome, Tyre, Nineveh, New York, Singapore, Tokyo, Islamabad, Montreal, Berlin, Lima, Stockholm, Beirut...you know...cities.

But...you know...BIBLICALLY DEFINING... speaking allegorically...cities can represent covenants:

24 Which things contain an allegory: for these women are two covenants; one from mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar.
25 Now this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia and answereth to the Jerusalem that now is: for she is in bondage with her children.
26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother. Gal 4

The two women and the two cities of Revelation represent the two covenants.

 

[kyredneck]

"apostate Judaism" is not a "city".
Cities are things like: Rome, Tyre, Nineveh, New York, Singapore, Tokyo, Islamabad, Montreal, Berlin, Lima, Stockholm, Beirut...you know...cities.

I mean...really...think about it...BIBLICALLY SPEAKINHG/ALLEGORICALLY DEFINING ...cities:

the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt

...is also Babylon the great city, Mystery Babylon, these are POINTERS to more allegories.

 

[Derf B]

"apostate Judaism" is not a "city".
Cities are things like: Rome, Tyre, Nineveh, New York, Singapore, Tokyo, Islamabad, Montreal, Berlin, Lima, Stockholm, Beirut...you know...cities.

But...you know...BIBLICALLY DEFINING... speaking allegorically...cities can represent covenants:

24 Which things contain an allegory: for these women are two covenants; one from mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar.
25 Now this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia and answereth to the Jerusalem that now is: for she is in bondage with her children.
26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother. Gal 4

The two women and the two cities of Revelation represent the two covenants.

Not to mention that Heavenly Jerusalem is associated with Christ's church:
[Heb 12:22-23 KJV] 22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

If the heavenly Jerusalem can be associated directly with the non-apostate Hebrews, surely the earthly Jerusalem can be associated directly with the apostate Hebrews.

 

[1689Dave]

With the topic of “heresy” another issue resurfaced (one of my “pet” issues, perhaps). And that is the insistence that there are “secular” and “biblical” meanings of English words with the application that Christians should use the “biblical” rather than the “secular” definitions.

I believe this mentality is problematic for a few reasons.


It contributes to eisegesis:

It reads theology into Scripture and misunderstands the process of interpretation/ translation. We should not take English words and assign to them new meanings to fit the target language. Instead we choose the best English word to represent the thought that the target language is communicating. Studying means that we look past the English word and to the text of Scripture to understand how the passage would have been understood to the original audience and in context to the overall message being communicated.

For Example: Propitiation is the act of appeasing a god, spirit, or person. But I have been told that the “biblical meaning” of propitiation is “punishment to appease the wrath of God”.

I use this example because reading into Scripture and “double-speak” is, I believe, obvious regardless of validity of the doctrine at hand.


It is subjective:

Using a “secular” vs “biblical” definition is a form of “double-speak”. Many Christians and probably all outside of the church will use the real meaning of English words. But using a “special” or “biblical” definition contributes to people talking past one another.

The “biblical” definition is subjective towards one’s own theology. The “secular” or “dictionary” definition is objective and typically offers various legitimate meanings and usages of the real word. In other words, words have meaning. When we use “biblical meanings” we are saying that we do not like the meaning of the word and are changing it to suit what we would like the meaning to be.

For Example: The word “heresy” refers to a doctrine that is in opposition to accepted or “orthodox” doctrine of a group. It has been argued, however, that the “biblical meaning” is different. Here it is assumed that this “biblical” meaning should replace the meaning when the intended usage is the “dictionary” or “secular” meaning.


It gives precedence to definition over context:

By redefining a word to incorporate the usage of a word we risk ignoring application and usage as a literary tool or devise. In other words, it shortcuts the legitimate process of study and exegesis.

For Example: World means world. It can be used in different ways. However it is sometimes presented that the word itself means a certain population of the world.

I believe this reflects a weakness in churches today and shows the need for Christians to learn how to study the Bible. There is a tendency, I think, for people to gravitate to sort of CliffsNotes.


It creates a “smorgasbord” mentality:

We now have so many word studies and language tools that people get lost in root words when they should be asking how the word is used in the context of the passage and the overall context of the book or epistle in general. Instead I have seen a “smorgasbord” type of “interpretation” (the word can mean this, I want the word to mean this, so the word means this).

For Example: “For” or “in one’s behalf” has been changed to “instead of” because it was argued that “instead of” could be in the range of meanings for the word. This is despite the usage of the word elsewhere not meaning “instead of”. The only reason for using “instead of” was held theology. We need to be very careful not to employ this type of error.

heresy. Any teaching rejected by the Christian community as contrary to Scripture and hence to orthodox doctrine. Most of the teachings that have been declared heretical have to do with either the nature of God or the person of Jesus Christ. The term heresy is not generally used to characterize non-Christian belief. That is to say, systems of belief such as atheism or agnosticism, or non-Christian religions such as Buddhism or Islam are not technically heresy. The term heresy is generally reserved for any belief that claims to be Christian and scriptural but has been rejected by the church as sub-Christian or antiscriptural.
Grenz, S., Guretzki, D., & Nordling, C. F. (1999). In Pocket dictionary of theological terms (p. 58). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

11.50 αἵρεσιςa, εως f: a division or group based upon different doctrinal opinions and/or loyalties and hence by implication in certain contexts an unjustified party or group (applicable in the NT to religious parties)—‘religious party, sect.’ τὴν ἀκριβεστάτην αἵρεσιν τῆς ἡμετέρας θρησκείας ‘the strictest party of our religion’ Ac 26:5; τὴν ὁδὸν ἣν λέγουσιν αἵρεσιν ‘the way which they say is a false party’ Ac 24:14. Compare αἵρεσιςb in 33.241 where it means the content of false doctrines or teaching.
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 128). New York: United Bible Societies.

 

[kyredneck]

that Heavenly Jerusalem is associated with Christ's church

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Gal 4

3 Jesus answered and said to him, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;`
5 Jesus answered, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God;
6 that which hath been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which hath been born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 `Thou mayest not wonder that I said to thee, It behoveth you to be born from above;
8 the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.` Jn 3 YLT

13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn 1

9 Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God. 1 Jn 3
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is begotten of God, and knoweth God. 1 Jn 4
1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is begotten of God: and whosoever loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
4 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that hath overcome the world, even our faith. 1 Jn 5

2 Jehovah loveth the gates of Zion More than all the dwellings of Jacob.
3 Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah
4 I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon as among them that know me: Behold, Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia: This one was born there.
5 Yea, of Zion it shall be said, This one and that one was born in her; And the Most High himself will establish her.
6 Jehovah will count, when he writeth up the peoples, This one was born there. Selah Ps 87

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, so also it is now. Gal 4

Born of God = born from above = born of the Spirit = child of Zion

 

[robycop3]

I believe that the legitimate translators of God's word into English, both old & new, generally intended for their translations to be in the regular language of their times. While some KJVOs have invented something they call "Church English", the reality is, there's no such thing.

Heresy is dissent or deviation from a dominant theory, opinion, practice, or dogma in any facet of life, I. E. "Joe Blow is a Democratic heretic because he's a Conservative." Of course, that definition applies to religion also.

One term that's almost-exclusively applied to religion is "infidel" It simply means "holding to a religion other than one's own". Thus, Protestants & Catholics generally consider each other as infidels.

 

[JonC]

heresy. Any teaching rejected by the Christian community as contrary to Scripture and hence to orthodox doctrine. Most of the teachings that have been declared heretical have to do with either the nature of God or the person of Jesus Christ. The term heresy is not generally used to characterize non-Christian belief. That is to say, systems of belief such as atheism or agnosticism, or non-Christian religions such as Buddhism or Islam are not technically heresy. The term heresy is generally reserved for any belief that claims to be Christian and scriptural but has been rejected by the church as sub-Christian or antiscriptural.
Grenz, S., Guretzki, D., & Nordling, C. F. (1999). In Pocket dictionary of theological terms (p. 58). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

11.50 αἵρεσιςa, εως f: a division or group based upon different doctrinal opinions and/or loyalties and hence by implication in certain contexts an unjustified party or group (applicable in the NT to religious parties)—‘religious party, sect.’ τὴν ἀκριβεστάτην αἵρεσιν τῆς ἡμετέρας θρησκείας ‘the strictest party of our religion’ Ac 26:5; τὴν ὁδὸν ἣν λέγουσιν αἵρεσιν ‘the way which they say is a false party’ Ac 24:14. Compare αἵρεσιςb in 33.241 where it means the content of false doctrines or teaching.
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 128). New York: United Bible Societies.

The term "heresy" is used to characterize non- Christian belief. (for example, Isaac Asimov spoke of political, socioeconomic and scientific heresies; "heresy" is used in political theory; Islam uses the word "heresy" ).

 

[1689Dave]

The term "heresy" is used to characterize non- Christian belief. (for example, Isaac Asimov spoke of political, socioeconomic and scientific heresies; "heresy" is used in political theory; Islam uses the word "heresy" ).

It depends on your resource.

 

[Derf B]

It depends on your resource.

Dingdingdingding! You are the winner! You’ve managed to restate the OP! Where are going to go now? (Hint: you’re supposed to say “Disneyland”.)


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[JonC]

It depends on your resource.

That is silly. It is a FACT that the word "heresy" is not restricted to Christian Doctrine. It does not depend on one's source because we all have brains and can look up instances where "heresy" is used in scientific, secular, socioeconomic, and political contexts.

"But the prevalent and orthodox scientific faith was still that of the material nature of light; the undulatory hypothesis was a heresy, and Young a heretic. If his great researches had been reviewed by a physicist or a brother worker" The American Journal of Science

“If a scientific heresy is ignored or denounced by the general public, there is a chance it may be right. If a scientific heresy is emotionally... " Isaac Asimov

" Since the outbreak of the Cold War , there has been a mounting campaign against political heretics" . Robert Wilkerson

"Having thing to extinguish a political heresy that ought... I oppose this heresy" Andrew Johnson on the State of the Union

"While Cattaneo's closest associates voiced reservations about his political ideas, Mazzini and his followers rejected them as the worst kind of political heresy" C. M. Lovett

"The portrait was a political revelation to Cooper. To his surprise, he found not the advocate of infidelity and political heresy clad in the red breeches of radicalism" Robert Spann

"A rhetorical heretic differs from a whistleblower in important ways. ... We briefly overview LCDR Swift's case and then discuss secular heresy and its relationship to..." Catherine Palczewski

"The most well known contemporary claim to scientific heresy is based on the claim that science undergoes revolutions that transform the norms of scientific" Stephen Ross

"Some scientists are considered heretics by..." Vernon Grose

"areas regarded as taboo by orthodox scientific opinion, that the term scientific heresy" John Collins

"standpoint of actual science and thereby less effective either as a control over scientific heresy or as an approach to further doxology as the century progressed" Bozeman

"Well that is the way with the public : it likes a comfortable scientific heresy." John Cook

"Often yesterday's heresy is today's science (and conversely today's pseudoscience is yesterday's science)." S. Lyons

"Do not be misled by the fact that today hardly anyone gets killed for joining a scientific heresy" Cohen

"caused by the collision of objects in space, another concept that was regarded for decades as scientific heresy" Powell

"Both Commonweal and The Pilot charged him with advocating socioeconomic heresy.” P.C. Kemeny

 

[George Antonios]

Not to mention that Heavenly Jerusalem is associated with Christ's church:
[Heb 12:22-23 KJV] 22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

If the heavenly Jerusalem can be associated directly with the non-apostate Hebrews, surely the earthly Jerusalem can be associated directly with the apostate Hebrews.

Guys, stop and think about this for a second. You just identified Biblical Judaism as Apostate Judaism.

Paul says Hagar = earthly Jerusalem = Mount Sinai = bondage

You guys made that [the law of mount Sinai] Apostate Judaism! Even though Apostate Judaism is the opposite of Mount Sinai! The law of Moses on Mount Sinai was not apostate, brethren!

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

[George Antonios]

I mean...really...think about it...BIBLICALLY SPEAKINHG/ALLEGORICALLY DEFINING ...cities:

the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt

...is also Babylon the great city, Mystery Babylon, these are POINTERS to more allegories.

Please post #34

 

[Derf B]

Guys, stop and think about this for a second. You just identified Biblical Judaism as Apostate Judaism.

Paul says Hagar = earthly Jerusalem = Mount Sinai = bondage

You guys made that [the law of mount Sinai] Apostate Judaism! Even though Apostate Judaism is the opposite of Mount Sinai! The law of Moses on Mount Sinai was not apostate, brethren!

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

It’s a rather large jump to say that because there’s an allegory that refers to a city or other geographical point that suddenly “biblical Judaism” is the same as “apostate Judaism”.

But Paul is pretty specific when he says that those in the church that get circumcised are going back to the law instead of trusting in Jesus Christ. That would fit both the “apostate” and “Judaism” categories.

Is that the same as Babylon in Revelation? Could be. They crucified Christ and martyred the saints.


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[kyredneck]

Please post #34

19 .... Let there be no fruit from thee henceforward for ever.... Mt 21

33 Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell?
34 Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: some of them shall ye kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city:
35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets, and stoneth them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. Mt 23

21 And a strong angel took up a stone as it were a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with a mighty fall shall Babylon, the great city, be cast down, and shall be found no more at all.
22 And the voice of harpers and minstrels and flute-players and trumpeters shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft, shall be found any more at all in thee; and the voice of a mill shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23 and the light of a lamp shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the princes of the earth; for with thy sorcery were all the nations deceived.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that have been slain upon the earth. Rev 18

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I came forth and am come from God; for neither have I come of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
45 But because I say the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convicteth me of sin? If I say truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth the words of God: for this cause ye hear them not, because ye are not of God Jn 8.

8 And their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Rev 11

 

[1689Dave]

That is silly. It is a FACT that the word "heresy" is not restricted to Christian Doctrine. It does not depend on one's source because we all have brains and can look up instances where "heresy" is used in scientific, secular, socioeconomic, and political contexts.

"But the prevalent and orthodox scientific faith was still that of the material nature of light; the undulatory hypothesis was a heresy, and Young a heretic. If his great researches had been reviewed by a physicist or a brother worker" The American Journal of Science

“If a scientific heresy is ignored or denounced by the general public, there is a chance it may be right. If a scientific heresy is emotionally... " Isaac Asimov

" Since the outbreak of the Cold War , there has been a mounting campaign against political heretics" . Robert Wilkerson

"Having thing to extinguish a political heresy that ought... I oppose this heresy" Andrew Johnson on the State of the Union

"While Cattaneo's closest associates voiced reservations about his political ideas, Mazzini and his followers rejected them as the worst kind of political heresy" C. M. Lovett

"The portrait was a political revelation to Cooper. To his surprise, he found not the advocate of infidelity and political heresy clad in the red breeches of radicalism" Robert Spann

"A rhetorical heretic differs from a whistleblower in important ways. ... We briefly overview LCDR Swift's case and then discuss secular heresy and its relationship to..." Catherine Palczewski

"The most well known contemporary claim to scientific heresy is based on the claim that science undergoes revolutions that transform the norms of scientific" Stephen Ross

"Some scientists are considered heretics by..." Vernon Grose

"areas regarded as taboo by orthodox scientific opinion, that the term scientific heresy" John Collins

"standpoint of actual science and thereby less effective either as a control over scientific heresy or as an approach to further doxology as the century progressed" Bozeman

"Well that is the way with the public : it likes a comfortable scientific heresy." John Cook

"Often yesterday's heresy is today's science (and conversely today's pseudoscience is yesterday's science)." S. Lyons

"Do not be misled by the fact that today hardly anyone gets killed for joining a scientific heresy" Cohen

"caused by the collision of objects in space, another concept that was regarded for decades as scientific heresy" Powell

"Both Commonweal and The Pilot charged him with advocating socioeconomic heresy.” P.C. Kemeny

Anyone knows you can find a resource to back your claims. right or wrong. I provided two examples from well-respected resources. Even so, in the narrowest sense "sect" is a portion not part of the whole. The Ecumenical Creeds separate the "sects" from the whole of Christianity unified by the creeds. Thus "ecumenical" creeds.

 

[atpollard]

Lets consider a few words found in scripture (or more accurately in our English translation of scripture).

1) Draw - does it mean compel by irresistible grace or attract by the persuasion of lovingkindness?
2) Foreknow - does it refer to knowledge of the future or knowledge acquired or formulated in the past, such as a plan?
3) Men of flesh - does this mean someone whose mind is set on fleshly desires, or to any unsaved person?
4) Propitiation - does this refer to the act of turning aside God's wrath or the means of salvation from God's wrath?
5) Come to Me - does this mean to put our faith in Christ, or to be spiritually placed in Christ?

It looks like people are willing to discuss the topic in the abstract, but not in “the rubber meets the road” specifics.

Draw (Merriam-Webster)
1: to cause to move continuously toward or after a force applied in advance : PULL

• draw your chair up by the fire

: such as
a: to move (something, such as a covering) over or to one side

• draw the drapes

b: to pull up or out of a receptacle or place where seated or carried

• draw water from the well
  
• drew a gun

also : to cause to come out of a container or source

• draw water for a bath
• the nurse drew a blood sample
  
• the wound drew blood

2: to cause to go in a certain direction (as by leading)

• drew him aside

3a: to bring by inducement or allure : ATTRACT

• honey draws flies

b: to bring in or gather from a specified group or area

• a college that draws its students from many states

c: BRING ON, PROVOKE

• drew enemy fire

d: to bring out by way of response : ELICIT

• drew cheers from the audience

e sports : to receive in the course of play

• The batter drew a walk.
• draw a foul

4: INHALE

• drew a deep breath

5a: to extract the essence from

• draw tea

b: EVISCERATE

• plucking and drawing a goose before cooking

c: to derive to one's benefit

• drew inspiration from the old masters

6 nautical : to require (a specified depth) to float in

• a ship that draws 12 feet of water

7a: ACCUMULATE, GAIN

• drawing interest

b: to take (money) from a place of deposit

• drew $100 from the bank

c: to use in making a cash demand

• drawing a check against his account

d: to receive regularly or in due course

• draw a salary

8a card games : to take (cards) from a stack or from the dealer

• draw four cards

b: to receive or take at random

• drew a winning number

9 archery : to bend (a bow) by pulling back the string

• drew the bow and aimed at the target

10: to cause to shrink, contract, or tighten

• draw your knees into your chest
• Her face was drawn with pain.

11 sports

a: to strike (a ball) so as to impart a backward spin
b golf : to strike (a ball) so that a slight to moderate hook (see HOOK entry 1 sense 3) results​

12: to leave (a contest) undecided : TIE

• drew the game 3–3

13a(1): to produce a likeness or representation of by making lines on a surface draw a picture

• draw a bowl of fruit
• draw a graph with chalk

(2): to give a portrayal of : DELINEATE

• a writer who draws characters well

b: to write out in due form

• draw a will

c: to design or describe in detail : FORMULATE

• draw comparisons

14: to infer from evidence or premises

• draw a conclusion

15: to spread or elongate (metal) by hammering or by pulling through dies
also : to shape (a material, such as plastic) by stretching or by pulling through dies

 

[JonC]

Anyone knows you can find a resource to back your claims. right or wrong. I provided two examples from well-respected resources. Even so, in the narrowest sense "sect" is a portion not part of the whole. The Ecumenical Creeds separate the "sects" from the whole of Christianity unified by the creeds. Thus "ecumenical" creeds.

Do you expect to be taken seriously?

You claim the word "heresy" is only used in relation to Christian Doctrine.

I give numerous examples where it is used secularly.

Your reply is your sources say those references do not exist??

Let the board decide.

Given that people have used the word "heresy" to secularly - even a senator addressing the State of the Union, is it not foolish to say this has never occurred because a reference says so?

AND you have no grounds to speak of the Ecumenical Creeds because YOU reject them. You did so when you rejected the claim that Christ is "completely God, completely man" and claimed that was "two persons".