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Biden raising oil prices is costing you more cash money

Earth Wind and Fire

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Yeah, someone with knowledge comes across as a gaslighter to someone who stakes his life on propaganda.

From the looks of the posts following, Mr. Downey seems to think I am opposed to pipelines. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Oh please, don’t rain on his parade. Not after he has established himself as expert in sooo many categories of space and time.:Wink
 

Yeshua1

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No, that was the Trump Administration.

Layoffs began in March and April of 2020, based on the falling price of oil due to the market, as well as Coronavirus restricting travel.

Rising oil prices -- which the OP, Mr. Downey, attributed to President Biden -- will help re-employ oil workers. That's the way the oil business works, although Mr. Downey doesn't understand it, nor wants to understand it, because it would mess up his propaganda.
You mean closing down the pipeline and losing thousands of jobs done by Trump, not by Biden?
 

Yeshua1

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oil pricing is based on speculation of future supply, the oil futures market is real and the prices follow the market.
Biden is limiting the future supply of oil.
Due to Biden shutting down keystone raised prices. As has Biden executive orders on oil and gas leasing.
If you restrict the ability to drill for oil, you will naturally raise prices.

OPEC changing production quotas does the same thing, limit the supply, prices rise.

So higher prices wont make for more exploration if Biden prevents it. It just leads to higher prices, hardships, and less oil
Your idea assumes a fair market, but it is not fair if the government gets in the way.
The Dems way of doing business is FAR from free market enterprise!
 

Yeshua1

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No, that's not true. We can produce more oil here than we can use. Oil workers suffer when prices are lower.


Nope. You don't understand the oil and gas market at all.


Actually, this winter blast is caused by warming in the Arctic that is affecting the flow of the jet stream. It is a direct result of climate change.
There is no reason to have the price of oil rise up that much, since now fully self sufficient !
 

Yeshua1

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I heard on our local news they expect gasoline prices to hit $3 per gallon this summer.
You can thank the democrats for that by slowing down oil exploration, actually shutting it down as in by executive orders to prevent drilling for oil on federal lands.

I do not make stuff up, neither do I not know what I am talking about, like some have said on here.
Biden policy means higher oil prices: Goldman
Under Biden's Plan, Energy Prices Go Up, And That's The Point
Higher prices will NOT be good for an economy already reeling from Covid massive shutdowns!
 

Baptist Believer

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There is no reason to have the price of oil rise up that much, since now fully self sufficient !
What are you talking about when you write "[we are] fully self-sufficient?"

Since the public does not own the oil and gas under private lands (and often not under public lands), the public is not "self-sufficient." Since the public does not own the oil and gas companies, the public does not control the means of exploration, extraction, refining, and transport.

As such, the public should have no expectation that they should dictate the price of oil contrary to market trends, since the public is not "fully self-sufficient."

The reality of capitalism is that the higher the cost of oil, the more people are employed. The lower the price of oil, the fewer people are employed until the world business becomes unsustainable -- then there's an oil crisis. Oil moving into the $40-60/barrel range is actually a quite reasonable level, given what petrochemical products cost to produce.

Higher prices will NOT be good for an economy already reeling from Covid massive shutdowns!
It may not be immediately "good" for certain sectors of the economy, but it is good for the economy as a whole. This is VERY basic economics.
 

Salty

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So all these addition job loses are going to make it even that much worse!

I have seen gas increase 20-40 cents a gallon.......
Yes, but when the excess oil begins to get used up, oil and gas industry jobs will return, boosting the economy. That's how the cycle works in a capitalistic system. We had a glut of oil, sitting in ships that were waiting to be unloaded, with the storage capacity for refined petroleum products completely filled. That causes job losses throughout the chain of production, refining, transportation, and all the businesses that support those activities and logistics. The infrastructure for oil and gas is enormous and extremely expensive to support, so companies have to lay off idle employees, to maintain solvency and profit margins (for stakeholders) to remain in business.

That's why oil and gas prices are going up to a sustainable level.
 

Salty

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now that is interesting - last year when the USA came to a standstill - ie no one driving to work, "fun" shopping - ect - gas prices plunged even with a surplus.

But we will go with your thinking of a surplus--- So when wiil that surplus be used up - and prices will go south again?
 

Yeshua1

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now that is interesting - last year when the USA came to a standstill - ie no one driving to work, "fun" shopping - ect - gas prices plunged even with a surplus.
he just seems to be toeing the liberal dem economic policy!
But we will go with your thinking of a surplus--- So when wiil that surplus be used up - and prices will go south again?
 

Baptist Believer

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now that is interesting - last year when the USA came to a standstill - ie no one driving to work, "fun" shopping - ect - gas prices plunged even with a surplus.
What do you mean, "even with a surplus?" When there is little demand for something, the price falls. If there is a surplus, the price will fall and people who are involved in oil and gas production will become susceptible to layoffs.

But we will go with your thinking of a surplus---
It's not MY thinking, it is well-known reality.

So when wiil that surplus be used up...
I don't know. Production has been low, so we are slowing using up recovered petroleum and natural gas reserves. Once the pandemic is brought under control, we can expect the rate of production to kick up again. The rising oil prices are likely brought on by confidence that the Biden Administration will be successful in relatively quick control of the pandemic, but all of that timing is bound up in a lot of variables, including the American public's commitment to wearing masks and social distancing.

...and prices will go south again?
I don't know what you mean, "go south."

If you mean, 'when will prices fall?', that will be when we hit another glut of oil and natural gas. If you mean, 'when will prices rise?' (more expensive for the end consumer - "go south"), then it depends. $60 a barrel has historically been a pretty good price for oil. Not too expensive for the consumer, but high enough to keep petroleum industry moving.

Remember, a lot of the cost of gasoline is in added tax.
 
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