Biden saying now he will defeat the NRA

[Yeshua1]

Actually, I want to see the conservative states pull away from the federal government, ignore some of the crud that will be coming down the pike from the new laws they will pass, as you know they wont be good for the well being of our country, so they should be opposed every step of the way, and people educated better about the evils of democratic socialism.

I am talking about the powers that be, not our Christianity, since if someone makes us walk with them 1 mile, we are told to walk with them 2 miles.

a Red and Blue Americas?

 

[Yeshua1]

That is the issue, isn't. I provide the actual amendment and you, my Antifa brother, consider those to merely be meaningless words. We agree on much, and we disagree on much. For example, I do believe that Black lives matter, but I disagree with the movement and I strongly disagree that the Second Amendment was designed for citizens to keep the police in check.

IF BLM was really honest, they would be protesting in Chicago, murder captial of the USA, and against abortion mills!
But they never will, as Chicago Dem and liberal strongholds, as are abortion centers!

 

[JonC]

State freedom does apply as, much to Federalist's disappointment, the Tenth Amendment clearly states. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution...are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Only the powers 'delegated' to the Federal govt. belong at this time to the Federal govt. All others belong to the states at this time.

But, note the word 'delegated'. Delegated does not mean surrender to. It was delegated to....and it can be taken back. All powers still belong to the state. Some are at this time delegated to the Federal govt.

States can take them back whenever they want to. So says the Constitiution. But of course, the Federal govt will go to war over it. Nobody secedes from the U.S. The Constitution means nothing to liberal leftest, atheist, democrats.

Strange isn't it. The U.S. supports all secession movements in the world except hers.

Quantrill

I absolutely agree. BUT the problem we have is powers are no longer delegated to the Federal Government. The U.S. Constitution was designed to establish a federal government and to preserve the rights of its citizens. For the most part these rights are given to the jurisdiction of the individual states.

What we have today is powers granted to States (if not on paper, in practice). States can govern themselves only insofar as the Federal government will allow it. Have a State determine for itself what constitutes a marriage and see what happens. Not only that, but States have sold their souls to the Federal government as they have become dependent on funding.

My belief is that individuals should not be taxed by the federal government. States should be taxed by the federal government and individuals by the state. And federal taxes should only be for legitimate federal interests.

But what do we have? The federal government taxes the citizens of a State. That State then has representatives who work to get funding for needs of that State and a portion of that money may be returned. The Federal government has already nullified the U.S. Constitution when it comes to the freedom of the State and the State has gone alone. It is too late to allow Arms to ensure a free State.

 

[JonC]

Persons are free to protect themselves against criminals and the State when and if acting as criminals!

But that is not the Second Amendment.

 

[Yeshua1]

I absolutely agree. BUT the problem we have is powers are no longer delegated to the Federal Government. The U.S. Constitution was designed to establish a federal government and to preserve the rights of its citizens. For the most part these rights are given to the jurisdiction of the individual states.

What we have today is powers granted to States (if not on paper, in practice). States can govern themselves only insofar as the Federal government will allow it. Have a State determine for itself what constitutes a marriage and see what happens. Not only that, but States have sold their souls to the Federal government as they have become dependent on funding.

My belief is that individuals should not be taxed by the federal government. States should be taxed by the federal government and individuals by the state. And federal taxes should only be for legitimate federal interests.

But what do we have? The federal government taxes the citizens of a State. That State then has representatives who work to get funding for needs of that State and a portion of that money may be returned. The Federal government has already nullified the U.S. Constitution when it comes to the freedom of the State and the State has gone alone. It is too late to allow Arms to ensure a free State.

Issues such as abortion and gay marriages should have been decided by the States themselves!

 

[JonC]

IF BLM was really honest, they would be protesting in Chicago, murder captial of the USA, and against abortion mills!
But they never will, as Chicago Dem and liberal strongholds, as are abortion centers!

Tell that to my Antifa friend. I believe the BLM movement is a racist movement and I believe that we should support our police.

 

[Yeshua1]

But that is not the Second Amendment.

We have an absolute right to bear arms, unless we become a criminal and relinquish that!

 

[JonC]

Issues such as abortion and gay marriages should have been decided by the States themselves!

I disagree with abortion. I see no room for allowing abortion within a nation. It is evil and should not be a matter to be decided by anyone. It is wrong, period.

 

[Yeshua1]

Tell that to my Antifa friend. I believe the BLM movement is a racist movement and I believe that we should support our police.

There are fellow Christians who mean well, but have been caught up into the left agenda of if not supporting BLM, must be both bigot and racist!

 

[JonC]

We have an absolute right to bear arms, unless we become a criminal and relinquish that!

Where do you find that we have an "absolute" right to bear arms. This is not a part of the second amendment. Provide a quote and we can discuss what "absolute" means.

 

[Yeshua1]

I disagree with abortion. I see no room for allowing abortion within a nation. It is evil and should not be a matter to be decided by anyone. It is wrong, period.

It is indeed murder, but the case brought to the SC should have been referred back to the states to decide!

 

[Scott Downey]

IF BLM was really honest, they would be protesting in Chicago, murder captial of the USA, and against abortion mills!
But they never will, as Chicago Dem and liberal strongholds, as are abortion centers!

BLM as communist RACISTS, they actually want to 'tear down white privilege' by destroying the way of life we have, our Christian morality.
Socialists are antichrists, and can not be Christians, because they steal from others and lie about their intent, and want to make everyone exactly alike in every possible way.
God's system though is not like that, God rewards people differently depending on the diligence of their works, some are higher up have more and some are lower down have less, and some have nothing at all, and at the end we will not all have the same resurrection ...

 

[Yeshua1]

Where do you find that we have an "absolute" right to bear arms. This is not a part of the second amendment. Provide a quote and we can discuss what "absolute" means.

You do not think the Founders would support use of guns for self defense and for hunting?

 

[JonC]

There are fellow Christians who mean well, but have been caught up into the left agenda of if not supporting BLM, must be both bigot and racist!

There are Christians who mean well but have been caught up into the right agenda. Our intentions do not determine the outcome.

 

[JonC]

You do not think the Founders would support use of guns for self defense and for hunting?

I believe they would have, but the fact is they remained silent. I think it is reasonable to believe that citizens possessing guns for self-defense and hunting were taken for granted. I do not think that the authors of the Constitution thought it would be the issue it is today. That is probably why the Second Amendment addresses the issue in terms of protecting a free State.

 

[Yeshua1]

There are Christians who mean well but have been caught up into the right agenda. Our intentions do not determine the outcome.

What is the so called right agenda though, other then a returning back to a biblical morality and to have real freedom for all?

 

[Yeshua1]

I believe they would have, but the fact is they remained silent. I think it is reasonable to believe that citizens possessing guns for self-defense and hunting were taken for granted. I do not think that the authors of the Constitution thought it would be the issue it is today. That is probably why the Second Amendment addresses the issue in terms of protecting a free State.

Yes, as they were themselves using guns to do both!

 

[Salty]

Issues such as abortion and gay marriages should have been decided by the States themselves!

When it comes to abortion - yes, the State/commonwealth should decide only because it is not in the COTUS
When it comes to being gay - I have no ideal why the govt should be concerned about people being happy.
When it comes to the h0mosexu@l issue - same as abortion.

However, if the founding fathers thought for even a minute that the "A" and "H" would have ended up as 20th century issues - they would have been added those into the Constitution.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

It is not in the Constitution (some would say it is implied in the Preamble based on the Articles of Confederation) and it has been upheld by the Supreme Court that States are not free in terms of withdrawal from the Union).

Then we have the practicality that States have sold their freedom to the Federal government by becoming dependent on federal funding.

No doubt there is some obligation of a state to uphold the State, and within that would be its security as free. The recognized right to keep and bear arms is still of the people, not the state or the State. A necessary condition for a free State, that is, the only way a State can be free, is if its citizens are free. And if one might imagine otherwise, one cannot for a State of “We, the people” without violating sense so as to abandon all reason. But it wouldn’t be the first time.

However, the latter part is the more intriguing. To rephrase the premise, the States at some point surrendered their freedom to the Federal government by allowing the Federal government to overtax their citizens and then depending on the Federal government to grant some of that tax money back to themselves. While the ironic effect may be present, the idea that that freedom could be constitutionally surrendered without amendment is simply unconstitutional. But that doesn't seem to stop them these days.

 

[JonC]

What is the so called right agenda though, other then a returning back to a biblical morality and to have real freedom for all?

There are a lot of agendas, and it really does not have to do with morality when it comes to politics. The most significant is conservatism as it applies economically.....and strangely enough the Republicans with very few exceptions seem to have become fiscally liberal.