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Biggest Con
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windcatcher
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Off topic.... but since you addressed this.JustChristian said:
Please go back and review your thread.
As I recall, you presented a poll, an annoyomous participation. You have no idea of who participated and you have no idea of whether they agreed or not....... unless they posted such.
Or have you forgotten?
However, at times I do think you are trying to improve. :flower: :thumbs:
JustChristian
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My understanding is that the biggest concern about global warming is the threat of a new ice age. Did you ever see the movie "The Day After Tomorrow?" That was the assumption behind the movie.rbell said:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319262/
carpro said:
You just invalidated your entire poll. You're not asking for the biggest con, you're only asking for the biggest con of the 3 people you listed. This means the winner is not really the biggest, they're just the biggest of the three.
Also, your bias against Obama is based purely on politician promises. As president, he hasn't spent one penny of our money since he's yet to take office. So all the figures you threw in are theoretical at best.
Al Gore is no different from any other special interest group. He advocates a cause he claims is close to his heart just like thousands of other American's. He can throw up warning flags and yell loudly into a mic but in the end he can't spend one penny of our money. Truth is, his vote counts the same and yours and mine.
Bernard Madoff did a good job on Wall Street but mixed in with all the other losses I don't think we'll notice his $50 Bill missing. But of the three, he is the only one with actual access to dollars so he would have to be the biggest of the three. But I still say $50 Billion doesn't even make him a close runner up...
JustChristian said:
And the premise of the movie is laughable. Entertaining, but absolutely absurd.
LeBuick said:
Not true at all. If he is appointed to certain government positions, he has access to our money. If you think they're not after our money, I don't know what to say to you.
JustChristian
New Member
The premise of the movie is absurd because Rush says so?rbell said:
No Rush said so because it IS absurd.
And why bring Rush into it ?
And why bring Rush into it ?
rbell said:
So you are concerned about something that isn't even a rumor. Gore doesn't have a job nor has it been rumored he will get a job in the Obama administration. Even if he does, that is in the future so he can't be the biggest present time con. Present time as in today he has no access to one penny of our money except his retirement check.
LeBuick said:
But you must admit--the UN and some in our government are clamoring to put draconian regulations on the populace.
The point to me is less Al Gore himself than the MMGW folks who are willing to wreck our economy and way of life based on bad science.
But we all know that Al would be a willing player in the game.
LeBuick said:
He's also on the board of AIG, the ones who will benefit most from carbon credit purchases.
JustChristian
New Member
Here's an interesting new twist.
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New Ice Age Predicted -- But Averted by Global Warming?
Mason Inman
for National Geographic News
November 12, 2008
Deep ice sheets would cover much of the Northern Hemisphere thousands of years from now—if it weren't for us pesky humans, a new study says.
Emissions of greenhouse gases—such as the carbon dioxide, or CO2, that comes from power plants and cars—are heating the atmosphere to such an extent that the next ice age, predicted to be the deepest in millions of years, may be postponed indefinitely (quick guide to the greenhouse effect).
"Climate skeptics could look at this and say, CO2 is good for us," said study leader Thomas Crowley of the University of Edinburgh in Scotland.
But the idea that global warming may be staving off an ice age is "not cause for relaxing, because we're actually moving into a highly unusual climate state," Crowley added.
In about 10,000 to 100,000 years, the study suggests, Antarctic-like "permanent" ice sheets would shroud much of Canada, Europe, and Asia.
"I think the present [carbon dioxide] levels are probably sufficient to prevent that from ever happening," said Crowley, whose study will appear tomorrow in the journal Nature.
Permanent Ice Sheets?
For the past three million years, Earth's climate has wobbled through dozens of ice ages, with thick ice sheets growing from the poles and then shrinking back again.
These ice ages used to last roughly 41,000 years. But in the past half a million years, these big freezes each stretched to about a hundred thousand years long.
Meanwhile, the temperature swings during and between these ice ages became more extreme, soaring to new highs and lows.
These extreme climate swings don't appear to be easing anytime soon, according to evidence recorded in Earth's rocks, Crowley said. "The latest two glaciations were two of the biggest we've seen."
The increasing variability is a sign that Earth's climate will soon move into a new state, according to a computer model used by Crowley and a colleague, William Hyde of the University of Toronto in Canada. They had previously used the model to simulate past ice ages.
The researchers found that between 10,000 and 100,000 years from now, Earth would enter into a period of permanent ice sheets—more severe than any seen in millions of years.
In some ways the ice age would be like those in the past few hundred thousand years, with a thick ice sheet covering North America, the study predicted.
But in the model, Europe and Asia also succumbed to ice sheets up to 2 miles (3.5 kilometers) thick, stretching from England to Siberia—something never before seen in models of past ice ages.
"We were surprised," Crowley said. "There's no evidence for this in Asia" during ice ages in the past few million years.
Hard to Know
Though this extreme ice age would be unusual, so is the climate that people are creating by emitting huge amounts of greenhouse gases, Crowley said (global warming fast facts).
"It's hard to say what's going to happen," Crowley said. "The very fact that you have this nonglacial [warming] atmosphere with polar ice caps [still present], presents a bizarre scenario.
"I don't know that we have a comparable analogy for it in the geologic record."
Prehistoric-climate expert Lorraine Lisiecki said, "This is the only study of which I am aware that suggests the next ice age could be much more extreme than those of the previous one million years."
Many more tests are needed to see if the study's prediction seems correct, said Lisiecki, of the University of California, Santa Barbara.
But she agreed that we might never find out what would have happened naturally, due to human-caused global warming.
"Current greenhouse gas concentrations are probably similar to those that occurred three million years ago and are high enough to prevent an ice age for hundreds of thousands of years," she said.
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________________________________________
New Ice Age Predicted -- But Averted by Global Warming?
Mason Inman
for National Geographic News
November 12, 2008
Deep ice sheets would cover much of the Northern Hemisphere thousands of years from now—if it weren't for us pesky humans, a new study says.
Emissions of greenhouse gases—such as the carbon dioxide, or CO2, that comes from power plants and cars—are heating the atmosphere to such an extent that the next ice age, predicted to be the deepest in millions of years, may be postponed indefinitely (quick guide to the greenhouse effect).
"Climate skeptics could look at this and say, CO2 is good for us," said study leader Thomas Crowley of the University of Edinburgh in Scotland.
But the idea that global warming may be staving off an ice age is "not cause for relaxing, because we're actually moving into a highly unusual climate state," Crowley added.
In about 10,000 to 100,000 years, the study suggests, Antarctic-like "permanent" ice sheets would shroud much of Canada, Europe, and Asia.
"I think the present [carbon dioxide] levels are probably sufficient to prevent that from ever happening," said Crowley, whose study will appear tomorrow in the journal Nature.
Permanent Ice Sheets?
For the past three million years, Earth's climate has wobbled through dozens of ice ages, with thick ice sheets growing from the poles and then shrinking back again.
These ice ages used to last roughly 41,000 years. But in the past half a million years, these big freezes each stretched to about a hundred thousand years long.
Meanwhile, the temperature swings during and between these ice ages became more extreme, soaring to new highs and lows.
These extreme climate swings don't appear to be easing anytime soon, according to evidence recorded in Earth's rocks, Crowley said. "The latest two glaciations were two of the biggest we've seen."
The increasing variability is a sign that Earth's climate will soon move into a new state, according to a computer model used by Crowley and a colleague, William Hyde of the University of Toronto in Canada. They had previously used the model to simulate past ice ages.
The researchers found that between 10,000 and 100,000 years from now, Earth would enter into a period of permanent ice sheets—more severe than any seen in millions of years.
In some ways the ice age would be like those in the past few hundred thousand years, with a thick ice sheet covering North America, the study predicted.
But in the model, Europe and Asia also succumbed to ice sheets up to 2 miles (3.5 kilometers) thick, stretching from England to Siberia—something never before seen in models of past ice ages.
"We were surprised," Crowley said. "There's no evidence for this in Asia" during ice ages in the past few million years.
Hard to Know
Though this extreme ice age would be unusual, so is the climate that people are creating by emitting huge amounts of greenhouse gases, Crowley said (global warming fast facts).
"It's hard to say what's going to happen," Crowley said. "The very fact that you have this nonglacial [warming] atmosphere with polar ice caps [still present], presents a bizarre scenario.
"I don't know that we have a comparable analogy for it in the geologic record."
Prehistoric-climate expert Lorraine Lisiecki said, "This is the only study of which I am aware that suggests the next ice age could be much more extreme than those of the previous one million years."
Many more tests are needed to see if the study's prediction seems correct, said Lisiecki, of the University of California, Santa Barbara.
But she agreed that we might never find out what would have happened naturally, due to human-caused global warming.
"Current greenhouse gas concentrations are probably similar to those that occurred three million years ago and are high enough to prevent an ice age for hundreds of thousands of years," she said.
JustChristian said:
I'll buy that.
Methink that Gore is about to be debunked.
Check this out:
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=315533893763712
From the article:
also:
Now: how will Gore answer this? He may do what two Stanford "researchers" did...they blame the "Little Ice Age" on man as well! (According to them, the Evil White Men depopulated North America, which led to abandonment of farmland, and reforestation brought about the cooling. Wow...so getting cold is our fault too!
The more I read about Gore's propogation of MMGW, the more I think our buying into this junk could absolutely sink us.
Check this out:
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=315533893763712
From the article:
also:
Now: how will Gore answer this? He may do what two Stanford "researchers" did...they blame the "Little Ice Age" on man as well! (According to them, the Evil White Men depopulated North America, which led to abandonment of farmland, and reforestation brought about the cooling. Wow...so getting cold is our fault too!
The more I read about Gore's propogation of MMGW, the more I think our buying into this junk could absolutely sink us.
Computer models can only be as effective as the biased person with an agenda puts into them.
As I posted before this is the science that NASA has provided.
Most likely he will just avoid it and call anyone who poses the question to him a "denier".
LeBuick said:
Models are computer programs that asses the information based on preset standards. The information can be interpreted any number of ways depending on your bent.
And?