Birth Certificate Found

[windcatcher]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

Is this the lawless one?


........In Syria, the Jewish community held a celebration this weekend because the uncut stones, protected from any metal touch them.... and the laying of the cornerstone for the rebuilding of the altar was laid. The motto, very strange considering its 'secular' content, was "Trust in God, not in Obama!".

 

[LeBuick]

This is fairly funny find. They've been showing this all day.

I'd say Clinton and McCain both investigated this thoroughly and neither of them found a Kenyan BC, so chances are this didn't exist back then.

I do find this funny.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Yes, I was waiting for someone to get excited over this. About as authentic as Dan Rather's documents on Dubya's military record. WingNut Daily earns its name once again.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I could be mistaken, but I don't think Kenya became a republic until 1963.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I was wrong, it was 1964.


http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ad21

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Wrong again, the article addresses this fact....


Also, WND never says this is the actual document, this seems like a pretty unbiased report.

 

[LeBuick]

The part I found funniest is that it's a certified copy.

The birthers said they didn't accept certified copies and are demanding the original long form.

So I guess they take a certified copy from Kenya but not from HI.

 

[carpro]

The copy was generated in 1964. And stamped with the Kenyan seal as a certified copy at that time.

I just recently obtained a certified copy of my birth certificate. It is sealed and notarized with the current place and date.

It may be a forgery,but I don't believe you can hang your hat on the date Kenya became a republic.

 

[LeBuick]

True, but why would it matter.

The copy was generated in 1964. And stamped with the Kenyan seal as a certified copy at that time.

I just recently obtained a certified copy of my birth certificate. It is sealed and notarized with the current place and date.

It may be a forgery,but I don't believe you can hang your hat on the date Kenya became a republic.

The disputed certificate Obama provided from HI is certified and stamped with seal. He also had the HI officials say it was real along with verifying the original still exist and they've seen it.

So we accept a document from Kenya before we accept one from American's.

 

[carpro]

The form from Hawaii is wrong. The "certified copy" is not a certified copy of the original certificate. The form shown was not in use in 1961. Therein lies the problem.

My copy of my birth certificate is a copy of the form used at that time. It is even handwritten and not typed. IE a real copy.

Obama has never produced a real copy of the real certificate and has spent over $800,000 trying to make sure he doesn't have to.

My copy cost $23.

 

[LeBuick]

The form from Hawaii is wrong. The "certified copy" is not a certified copy of the original certificate. The form shown was not in use in 1961. Therein lies the problem..

See, you will accept a Kenyan certified copy but not one from American's in HI. You pick apart the one from HI but take the one from Kenya at face value. How many ways can I say you proved my point?

 

[carpro]

I haven't accepted it. It may be a forgery or just not authentic in some other way.

But the question remains...

$23 vs. $800,000

Why?

 

[poncho]

See, you will accept a Kenyan certified copy but not one from American's in HI. You pick apart the one from HI but take the one from Kenya at face value. How many ways can I say you proved my point?

I don't know about the rest of you but I don't expect Obama to come across with the documents people are asking for. At this point it's better for him if he is hiding something (and he sure acts as if he is) if we all stay divided and continue to argue politics amongst ourselves instead of uniting and demanding he do the most simplest of things. Show us the documents we're asking for instead of ducking and weaving and hiding behind a pack of lawyers. His actions make him look guilty of what he is being accused.

 

[LeBuick]

I don't know about the rest of you but I don't expect Obama to come across with the documents people are asking for. At this point it's better for him if he is hiding something (and he sure acts as if he is) if we all stay divided and continue to argue politics amongst ourselves instead of uniting and demanding he do the most simplest of things. Show us the documents we're asking for instead of ducking and weaving and hiding behind a pack of lawyers. His actions make him look guilty of what he is being accused.

Sure... :thumbsup:

 

[Magnetic Poles]

His actions make him look guilty of what he is being accused.

If a President were to respond to every moronic thing that his or her detractors can come up with, that is all they would get done. He should NOT respond, as it lends credibility to every nut to come out of the Planters jar.

 

[Revmitchell]

If a President were to respond to every moronic thing that his or her detractors can come up with, that is all they would get done. He should NOT respond, as it lends credibility to every nut to come out of the Planters jar.

This is poor reasoning. The President is going beyond just not responding. In fact it is completely false that he is not responding. He responds each and every time with his attorneys who fight any request for the original documents. He is spending untold hours fighting all of this. It would all come to an end if he would release his long form as McCain did.

If it were so moronic that we should verify his eligibility then congress would not have looked into McCain's situation.

 

[carpro]

This is poor reasoning. The President is going beyond just not responding. In fact it is completely false that he is not responding. He responds each and every time with his attorneys who fight any request for the original documents. He is spending untold hours fighting all of this. It would all come to an end if he would release his long form as McCain did.

Since it is a constitutional requirement, no president should object to upholding the constitution they are sworn to uphold by just producing the document.

Seems a simple matter to me.

 

[alatide]

The form from Hawaii is wrong. The "certified copy" is not a certified copy of the original certificate. The form shown was not in use in 1961. Therein lies the problem.

My copy of my birth certificate is a copy of the form used at that time. It is even handwritten and not typed. IE a real copy.

Obama has never produced a real copy of the real certificate and has spent over $800,000 trying to make sure he doesn't have to.

My copy cost $23.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl


Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

 

[carpro]

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl


Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

So what?

Why is it worth $800,000 to keep from releasing the original birth certificate and living up to his oath of office?

This is the act of either a desperate man or a crook.

 

[Martin]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

I'm not sure about the source of that birth certificate. It could be a fake produced by those who have lost touch with reality. On time will tell. However we know that the State of Hawaii has produced and verified an official copy of President Obama's birth certificate. We also have a copy of the newspaper annoucement of his birth. It ran in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961.

Then there is the fact that the State of Hawaii says, on the certified copy of his birth certificate, that he was born in Honolulu (Picture).

So, I suppose we are left with a choice. We can take the State of Hawaii's documents at face value or we can say that the Kenya document is more trustworthy. I find the latter a bit hard to accept.

It seems to me that this story had run its course until the release of this new document. That in itself could be the reason for its sudden appearance. After all both the Hillary For President campaign and the McCain For President campaign looked into this story. If a birth certificate from Kenya was avalible, I'm sure they would have found it. Or, at the very least, some other media outlet would have found it. In which case, Obama would have been forced out of the race and Hillary Clinton would have gladly accepted the nomination.