Birth control and Christian colleges.

I DID NOT SAY THAT.

 

Dianatavega quoted Paul33 as saying:
If practiced, bf on demand results in the supression of ovulation on average 15 months.

ORIGINAL POST BY PAUL33:
"Most women who breastfeed on demand, meaning no schedules, bottles, pacifiers, on average will cease ovulating for about 15 months."

Ok, you edited and your editing misconstrues what he said. Your statement makes it appear that Paul 33 said that ALL women will not ovulate. Tell it straight please! Thank you.

 

Twice he's accused me of either misquoting or saying things I did NOT say, as in the above quote.

I LOVED being pregnant! Breast Feeding was a complete joy! I beg women to not give up just because of a day or two of discomfort. I LOVE being a mother! ALL I ever wanted to be was/ is a wife and mother. I am a keeper at home!

It really hurt me that you would imply I did not enjoy being with child.

Diane

 

YOU tell it STRAIGHT! Look at page 7 of this thread! EXACT QUOTE by myself, an administrator on this board and NOT a liar!

 

Diantavegia:

You have my apology. I WAS WRONG.

Your quote of Paul33 is bold/unbolded. It makes it appear that you are responding to what he said in the unbold. Still my bad and I should have re-read your post before responding. I am grieved that it hurt you, that was the farthest thing from my intent in writing the post!

It is Friday, I am tired and signing off.

May the Lord richly bless you and give you a great Lord's Day this weekend.

[ October 22, 2004, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: foxrev ]

 

No problem. Apology accepted.

And the Lord bless you too.

Diane

 

Okay, I'm back!

I have two. 2 1/2 and 7 months. Joy of my life.

On demand, as you call it.

I recognize it is common practice, but that doesn't make it biblical. My children spent a good amount of time in our bed, though it didn't work perfectly for the reason given in the only biblical story you listed, my wife always had dreams of rolling on the baby and couldn't sleep (or dreams of me rolling on the baby because I'm a lug!) But they slept well there and that made us very happy!

Experiences of women are different. My wife had two horrible pregnecies and two very painful labors. She was terribly sick for four or five months, throwing up most of the day. In the later months she had trouble breathing and a lot of back pain. And then the labors were just nightmares of pain. But our two little girls are worth every second of it and ten times more! My wife may want more kids, but she would just as well skip that whole pregency thing.

We wanted our second child as soon as we could, and tried as hard as we could, though now in hindsight my wife would wish they were a little farther apart (maybe six months). It was hard being sick for song long through very needy years of the first's life.

Anyway, back to the family bed. Being a tradition back to Solomon's time doesn't make it right or wrong. Prostitution is a tradition that goes back farther! Is there a biblical admonition to share your bed with your children until they wish to leave?

 

About breakthrough ovulation, my figures were a little off. This is from the prolife website (I'll give the url at the end...) This is part of what they have to say. I urge you to read the entire article.

"Dr. Ronald Chez, a scientist at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), publicly stated that the new Pills of today, with their lower estrogen dose, allow ovulation up to 50% of the time! (Source: Sterns, David, M.D., Sterns, Gina, R.N., B.S.N., Yaksich, Pamela, "Gambling with Life, How the I.U.D. and 'The Pill' Work" (www.top.net/vitalsigns)."

http://www.prolife.com/BIRTHCNT.html

This is about half-way down the page.

Regardless of whether or not people us birth control is between them and God. But if birth control is used, I would urge all of you to study the effects of the pill, patch, iud, etc. before using them. Any birth control that causes the death of a family member is not a birth control that Christians should be using!

 

Dr. Bob:

So you really are a Grandpa. How long now?

 

I'd like to mention that we had a group of current graduate (mostly) students from BJU over here in Poland helping us as part of a summer ministry team, and they were discussing this issue. Some of them were taking both sides and it had been debated widely in their classes. Seeing as how none of them were married, we didn't go into it in depth, but it obviously had been discussed.

As to joyfulkeeperathome, simply sit back and enjoy the child you have, quit crying over what you don't have and maybe it will happen. Wow. I realize that many people want lots of children, but realize the child you currently have and your husband and maybe a stray child in the neighborhood or two could use your attention. I have 5 of my own, am thankful for them.

We seem to have a problem discussing this rationally. I remember going into a church (with our 5...babe in arms) and a stranger asking me how old I was. I told her 35, and she made the astute comment, "You can easily have another 5 children!" I about threw stones at her! It seems like a pretty personal topic to be discussing with a stranger upon meeting and when you have a babe in arms, it isn't what (some) moms need to hear. I personally needed some reassurance that I was a person of value for who I was, not for my baby-making.

I really think it boils down to between husband and wife, and the biblical injuction that the father is to provide for his household. If he can't provide for them, then he shouldn't have them. In Bible days, and even 100 years ago, many children died...I'd like to not even guess what percentage, so that a women could actually have lots of children and not end up with that many who lived.

All that and yet, I understand those who are anti-birth conrol. I also understand that some women can handle multiple pregancies easily and some who can't. However, some men can't handle little kids after a certain age, either. IMO, you'd be far better off to have fewer and enjoy the ones you have.

As far as Paul33 saying that we'd not have more if we did the family bed, I went in to my doctor for my 6 week checkup, after only breastfeeding. The nurse asked me if I'd had my first period yet, and I just laughed....how absurd, and I let her know I thought that was funny. She said, "Don't laugh... it can happen." Thankfully she warned me. It happened 2 weeks later, and I was ONLY breastfeeding...not in the bed though..that didn't go over very big with dh.

I do tend to agree with Dr. Bob. Certainly some see very strong Biblical principles in the issue, but I think that the "whole picture" has to be taken together. Certainly some are convicted in this area, and others aren't. Some are "unnecessarily" convicted in areas where we don't have to be due to extrabiblical teaching. (seems to find extra fodder on the internet.)

Becky P.
www.famiy.solidrockpl.org

 

That's
www.family.solidrockpl.org

Becky P.

 

Children are a blessing and inheritance from the Lord.

Did you know that until 1930 every Christian denomination condemned birth control?

And what did the 1930's bring us? Eugenics and poplulation control, as popularized by Margaret Sanger. Eugenics as practiced by Adolf Hitler. I believe that the "culture of death" can be directly traced to the increasing use of birth control.

In the sixties, we were told that the Pill would free us from the "burden" and "worry" of unwanted children and would strengthen marriages. What has happened since then? A skyrocketing divorce rate. The legalization of abortion. A coarsening of the culture.

More and more couples are beginning to use Natural Family planning. This is a natural way of birth control. The woman tracks her body's natural fertility cycles to either prevent or allow conception. When used by knowledgable couples who wish to prevent or space their children, it is 99% effective. The divorce rate for couples who practice it is less than 4%. One of the best side effects of NFP is that it brings the couple closer together, because together they have to make the decision to abstain or not during the woman's fertile time. If they wish to abstain they can find other ways to demonstrate their love for one another. It really is a life-giving lifestyle for the Christian couple.

The Couple to Couple website for more information on NFP is www.ccli.org.

 

No Fair! I want to share too.

Erin had Nick when she was 19 and gave him up for adoption,.... to US. He's both my grandson and son.

Erin Elizabeth also has
Eden Elizabeth (4)
Kaylee Elizabeth (18 months)

Scott has
1 in heaven
Jackson Henry who will be 2 in Jan.

Jon isn't married and has no children.

Nicholas is 10 on my 54th birthday.

Diane Elizabeth who wants a LOT more grandkids!

 

BETHANY:

Fantastic! You have hit "Pay dirt" for the issue.

Thank you!

 

Bethany:

Do you have any sources or documentation for this? Not questioning it, but would like it for my files. Thanks!