==Most, if not all, of the "birthers" would never vote for Obama anyway. He has nothing to lose, politically, by spiting them. Besides, the birthers represent a very small portion of U.S. voters. Another reason he can ignore them.
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Birthers Shot Down - Yet Again
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==Most, if not all, of the "birthers" would never vote for Obama anyway. He has nothing to lose, politically, by spiting them. Besides, the birthers represent a very small portion of U.S. voters. Another reason he can ignore them.
Wasn't an issue with any President but this one...
If there was any possiblity that the above at-the-time candidates were not Natural born citizens you can bet your last dollar that their opponents - both inthe Primiay and for the General election would have dug that up. My goodness, if someone found out that Bush had a DWI som 30? years ago, they can find out anything.
Remember Thomas Eagleton - Veep for McGovern - he dropped out after it was disclosed he had sessions for mental issues.
Thus, the issues is NOT BO, but his BC.
KenH
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Why not? As long as some of his opponents are using all of this energy fighting a battle they cannot win concerning this birth certificate issue they can't use that energy to fight the president's policy agenda.
==Exactly. And why is it an issue with Obama? Because of his name, Barack Hussein Obama. If his name were Fred, Mike, John, or Carl, none of this would be an issue.
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My point, however, is that the birthers movement did not exist with those presidents. Many, if not the vast majority, of the birthers on these boards never gave it a second thought with any of those presidents mentioned. IMO, the problem the birthers are having is Obama's name, not his birth certificate. They are deeply bothered that his name is Barack Hussein Obama. The birth certificate issue is just the symptom of the problem they have with Obama. For most of them, there is nothing Obama can do that would take away their doubts. Now, if his name were Bill, Jimmy, or George, there would be no problem. However because his middle name is Hussein, they will always have a problem with him. The State of Hawaii has released a copy of his birth certificate and it clearly states that he was born in Honolulu. So, unless someone can prove that the State of Hawaii forged a birth certificate, the debate is over as far as I am concerned.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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I agree, so lets get on to seeing how we can end this failed experiment in Chicago Machine socialism in 2010 and 2012.
Martin, I have disagreed with a lot you have posted in the past, but this is the first time I would label one of your posts as totally left-wing. This statement/conclusion is just simply asinine.
There is a lot about this man that nobody, NOBODY, except the "insiders" of his ilk know, and apparently want to make sure that it stays this way.
He is undoubtedly one of the least known of any president (I use the term loosely:tongue3: ) we've ever had, and yet he commandeered enough of the nation to support him to get what is probably the most powerful position in the world.
To claim that his name alone is a sole source of dissatisfaction with this man is just burying your head in the sand.
I would certainly think that any thinking citizen would have some degree of curiosity about his background, especially seeing how he is seemingly intent on nationalizing the entire free-market system of this country.
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Who knows, perhaps something learned from the "mysterious" BC could be the trigger to his defeat in '12 and maybe even some positive changes in '10. But then that just may be the reason he refuses to let the info out.
And this doesn't concern you; and many others on this board???? I am truly amazed!!
KenH
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If there was any possibility that something could come of this quixotic effort then I might be interested. But everyone knows that the courts are not going to force any information(if it even exists) that disproves the president's eligibility or would damage him in any way to be released.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Then we are equal. I am truly amazed that people persist in touting at this windmill when there are real issues to deal with in the current agenda to drive America to ruinous socialism.
As a citizen of the State of Alabama I recognise the State of Hawaii's right to certify the president's citizenship. That story is long closed for me.
==I am a conservative, make no mistake about it. My statements in this thread are not a defense of President Obama. My statements are simply relating to this "birther" issue. I am no fan of President Obama. However, to this point, nobody has provided any proof that Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen. If someone could provide some proof, I would be first in line to call for his impeachment. However, to date, nobody has provided any proof. All I hear from the "birthers" are conspiracies.
==Thats true about all of them (Clinton, Bush, Obama, etc). I generally don't trust politicians (Republicans or Democrats).
==I did not say that "his name alone is a sole source of dissatisfaction with this man". What I said was that his name is the source of the birther movement. President Obama's policies, like his predecessor's policies, are immoral and unconstitutional. I have many, many problems with President Obama's policies. However I think the "birther" movement is not based solid evidence.
==He is no more intent on nationalizing the free-market system than the others. If Bush were still in office, he would be doing many of the same things Obama is doing. Just look at the record. President Obama's background is not the issue here, his policies are. I would rather debate his policies than run around in circles over an theory based on little more than someone's doubts. I would rather talk about the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, the health care bills, the decline of privacy, constitutional rights, and the growth of government. After all, these are facts. These things are happening and have been happening for 8+ years.
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I have some questions for many conservatives: Where have you guys been? Some of us have been complaining about these problems for years? Why are you folks only concerned about these things when a Democrat is in the Oval Office? Why was it ok for a Republican to grow the size of government and trample on the U.S. Constitution?
I haven't accused anybody of anything. All I know is the fact his released BC looks different than other short form BC's from Hawaii during that same timeframe. This can all be cleared up so simply, but he refused to do so.
You are delusional. I haven't made any charge whatsoever.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Well, when we consider that it was his step-grandmother, not his grandmother, and that the recording was cut short before she understood the question in translation this is hardly a viable source.
Amazing, not one single court who has heard this case has considered this 'information' valid.
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I've decided that many here read what they want to read - just like selective hearing - and the replies to a lot of posts reflect this "anomaly"!
It's amazing how we keep getting accused of denying the validity of the "0"'s birth, and no response to the POTENTIALLY damaging other info.
Well, if they choose to play ostrich, that's their choice!
But it is hard to discuss any subject if so many who reply spend their time chasing rabbits.
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It's not the long form.
Who cares? The short form is just as legal. His mother was a natural born citizen, thus he is also. If they want to to continue wasting time and money on this foolish mis-adventure let 'em. I have much more important things to think about.
My last comment on this comedy.
A military discharge is a "long form". However, the bottom portion can be detached (making it a "short form) to prevent some individuals (ie employers ) so they cannot see certain information, for example the exact reason for discharge; thus making it a "short form discharge"
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